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um this episode is skeptico a show about

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rules and lessons when to go against

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them see I'm not a monster

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rules and you think that'll save you

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and when maybe to follow them

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it's almost like these are lessons that

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we've already got inside of us and it

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really synchronized with what I believed

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even before I had my near-death

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experience

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first clip of course was from The Dark

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Knight and the second was from today's

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guest Vincent Tolman who joined me to

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talk about his remarkable near-death

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experience and what he learned as a

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result of it

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stick around you'll see that I pushed

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Vinnie a little bit but he is more than

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up for it and I really appreciate what

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he's bringing here

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welcome to skeptico where we explore

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controversial science and spirituality

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I'm joined today by Vinnie Tallman the

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author of the light after death which

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let me get this is the stunning true

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story of Vincent's experience on the

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other side of death and the ten

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principles he was taught while traveling

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to heaven and what he saw when he

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arrived Vinnie welcome thanks for

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joining me yeah thanks so much Alex I'm

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really happy to be here happy to be a

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part of this

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great well you know I am too because we

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had this rather extensive email exchange

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you know I kind of uh no it was really

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great very open and I really appreciate

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that you know I kind of told you

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initially I didn't think this was the

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right fit because

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I've been doing this for a long time and

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I don't really do the near-death

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experience story kind of interviews you

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know because I'm more interested in the

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science I'm more interested in the

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research I'm more interested in how it

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overlaps with other things in

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understanding this extended

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Consciousness but you're like I'm down

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with all that yeah I'm I'm I come from

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that mindset and I've always been kind

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of the skeptic myself uh prior to my

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experience I always was I was a bit

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skeptical of all these experiences and

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of course I I got converted over with my

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that'll do it that'll do it yeah for

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sure well I I you know I'm not I found

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myself in this whole thing for the last

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15 years not being as skeptical per se I

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didn't come into it being skeptical just

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in I came into it as kind of a

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scientific kind of perspective and I

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guess like I'm gonna super put you on

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the spot right off the beginning because

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way back in the day when I used to do

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these you know like uh the first one I

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think I did was with Dr Evan Alexander

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remember him proof of heaven yeah

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absolutely very very important important

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book that really broke this thing wide

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open in 2012 had them on the show I mean

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you remember what that guy had to go

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through in terms of quote-unquote

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proving what he said was true you know

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here's the name of my doctor here's the

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name of my caregiver here's the name of

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the person who saw me here this whole

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I did want to see more of that in your

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account I mean what's the name of the

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paramedic who cut you out of the body

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bag what are the other paramedics who

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gurney and go running for the elevator

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who was your physician that said your

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cure was a miracle what's the name the

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psychiatrist that said get the [\h__\h] out

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of here which I thought was a great

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story I mean just in kind of an Evan

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have you provided all that stuff I I

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um essentially the the ambulance record

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public and and of course the through

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medical records search you can get the

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everything literally everything but yeah

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experience with people I used to carry

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this little folder and it had the folder

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had the medical bill the ambulance bill

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and the details on each one and that was

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irrefutable and and what I noticed is I

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and after that I stopped needing to show

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it anywhere just people kind of accepted

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it and and I think I'm giving credit to

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Dr Raymond Moody for that he really kind

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of opened this space up with his

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experience and then uh Evan Alexander's

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experience really helped substantiate it

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even further to have both of these

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highly respected doctors having their

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experiences substantiated with their own

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proving methods it really helped kind of

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the industry to realize that hey

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somebody can have a near-death

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experience it's not all quackery now I

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did meet someone once that said they had

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an out of Body Experience on a drug they

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tried I don't I don't necessarily go at

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one of those experiences the same as I

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of the golden nuggets the nuggets and

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and the synchronicities where you're

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seeing the same things coming through

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all these different experiences so many

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on an interview and I the follow-up is

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people reaching out saying that's just

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like my experience I had one too and uh

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and to me that's where the proof is

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there's there's a consistent

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almost modality happening to people

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in their experience there's consistent

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things you're seeing on on all of these

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every time no not at all but yet you're

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seeing these same things come up in all

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minute since we're just kind of freeform

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dialoguing here and we'll drill into

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that a little bit further like I think

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there's two different means of proof if

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near-death experience like Raymond Moody

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that book because uh Elizabeth

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was really she had found all that

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people dying she had all that stuff but

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she was like I have too much on I played

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as it is and she kind of gifted it all

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to Moody and he took it which is awesome

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and then there was all this pushback

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because like no that can't possibly

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happen because the whole idea is counter

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to science as we know it science as we

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know it denies the existence still to

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this day of Consciousness right so

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idea that you are your brain and nothing

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books and Jeff long has the near-death

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experience Research Foundation with

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thousands of accounts and we've had them

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extremely credible extremely believable

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even though all that stuff has happened

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we sometimes lose sight effect that this

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grows counter to science as we know it

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want to bring it back to this

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the whole shift to looking at this stuff

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medically was a reaction to the Skeptics

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saying you can't just take somebody's

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account you know and do it and then they

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proved it medically they said okay let's

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take a somebody after resuscitation and

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let's interview him before resuscitation

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after let's review let's look at two

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near-death experience and one that

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didn't and both had cardiac arrest and

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near-death experience they're able to

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completely recall their resuscitation

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done published in peer-reviewed journals

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and give us who are scientifically

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overwhelming evidence highly suggestive

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that this is real that Consciousness

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what we don't have Vinnie is we don't

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know what to do with the individual

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we don't know what to do with the guy

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who I told you who I interviewed Ian

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McCormick who said I saw Jesus which

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is different than what we're looking for

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psychiatrist who said get the [\h__\h] out

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of my face yeah you know did you publish

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that any did you publish the name of the

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guy who cut you out of the body bag I

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understand that you walked around with

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the folder and had it did you publish

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that anywhere no no I didn't publish

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that no in fact uh to I would have to

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which we we started to go down that path

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and it was so hard to track everybody

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down everybody had gone in so many

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different places since then just the

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medic who who ended up pulling me out of

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that bag he's a fireman now and and

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still a medic but but a fireman and and

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in fact he ended up making that switch

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right after the fact right after he got

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for me yeah and and here's the thing

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with all of this

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is people people want to go and take all

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of these experiences and say let's poke

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holes in this let's poke holes in that

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to me I'm not taking my experience and

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saying this is an experience for

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everybody they've got to follow this

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it's going to change your life I've

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the experience with people before and

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those people have come back to me and

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that's what it's all about to me but

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physics is proving quantum entanglement

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much larger than what we could have ever

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comprehended before

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there's a study of a gentleman that was

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was reacting to World War II scenes and

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they were at any time he saw anything to

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do with World War II his his blood would

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start reacting into this certain way and

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then there's a a really good public

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study on this where they took vials of

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his blood drove it 70 miles away

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and had him over here 70 miles away look

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at images of World War II and his

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cellular structure reacted the exact

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same way in the ampule or the vial of

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blood 70 miles away as it did local

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right where he was that that it's

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through that study and through many many

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studies since they have been able to

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glean and and understand that our

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entanglement to each other is is

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extremely finite and

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at the quantum level and Quantum

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physicists themselves are proving

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Consciousness now it has neurology uh

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caught on not yet neurology still fights

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it neurology wants to say there's no

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such thing as Consciousness there's only

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electricity in the brain and once that

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electricity goes out it's out but

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neurology can't explain people like

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myself I met a gentleman he was working

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for me I was in construction this is in

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Wyoming he worked for me for one week

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and I told him about my experience and

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he goes oh I was woken up out of a

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morgue and and legitimately woke up

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while they were performing an autopsy on

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him he woke up and uh you know there's a

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lot of experiences now are they are they

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the norm no

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but they you do see them substantially

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everywhere every culture every belief

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system every religion and what's funny

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is you do get one or two of these

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experiences in all the different

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cultures saying oh you must you have to

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see Muhammad if you want to if you want

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to get to heaven you have to see Jesus

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if you want to get to heaven you have to

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see Buddha if you want to get to heaven

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it's it's and that's the thing is all of

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these experiences are plugged into a

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system that's already there

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that was there long before us here

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and it's our perception of that system

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that we're we're we're bringing back

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with us and that's really what it is

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it's it's a system and of uh that has

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long been in place and and part of the

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progress for all of us really and

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um

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that I got to to peek a little bit

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behind the curtain I feel

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and and I did have a very

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distinct recollection of of my

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experience

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and even I wanted to see if maybe there

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was something I had forgotten about it

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the experience so I've gone under

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hypnosis a couple of times now to see if

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there was anything extra

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and and there wasn't there wasn't

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anything that I could perceive further

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than what I already knew from my

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experience so so to me I feel good and

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saying I I remember my experience to a t

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to a very distinct description I

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remember my experience and you know over

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the 20 years it's been since I had my

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experience

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the details haven't faded they haven't

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changed the descriptions haven't changed

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it's been the same experience that I've

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been sharing with people I even had a

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gentleman that that heard one of the

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first versions that I had I had shared

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with people and and he heard that the

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actual audiobook and he loved it he

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loved how all it did was give more

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detail essentially to him than what he

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had heard the first time but it was the

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exact same experience he had heard the

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first time when this was back in 2004

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when I first met him so yeah it is a

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beautiful system that we're existing in

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here and that's the universe it really

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is and quantum physics is tipping into

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it they're getting into that quantum

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entanglement improving it and

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mathematically as well as through their

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their double-blind strategies and the

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double-blind studying that they're doing

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with different

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experiments on proving that our

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Consciousness can and change matter

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and so thus the Consciousness is larger

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than the physical matter it's that's

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controlling

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yeah right yeah I'm I'm down with all

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that the one of the things I think is

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terrific about the near-death experience

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science is it kind of jumps way past

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that because people get mired in the you

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know quantum entanglement observer

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effect uh you know akashic records uh

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all you can go a number of different

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ways but in particular with quantum

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physics you can a lot of people will

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acknowledge entanglement or observer

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effect and then we'll find another

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explanation for this what we really want

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to know is does Consciousness survive

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bodily death and that's the importance

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of the near-death experience science is

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that it directly addresses that and the

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answer is resoundingly the evidence is

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just highly suggestive and anyone who

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wants to

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kind of push against that evidence the

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burden of proof is on them but it does

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come back to your account because the

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the account that you lay out in the

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light after debt is amazing it's a super

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enjoyable book to read it's written in a

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very conversational way and I totally

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accept that you and your author partner

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kind of turned it more into a dialogue

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versus what you said you experienced was

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more of a direct download makes it very

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readable it's fun to get through and all

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that

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point because this is what I do it's a

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skeptico inquiry yeah graduate doubt is

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you can release the name of the

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psychiatrist you don't need their

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approval you can release the name of the

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the guy who uh Cuts you out of the body

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bag you don't need his approval this is

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your story you can tell it you can

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release all the names you can release

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the names I don't know you can publish

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on your website your who was your

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attending physician who was your uh

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nurses I mean again

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Vinnie this is what Evan Alexander went

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through and we did a bunch of interviews

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with him oh yeah and we did interviews

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with people that had Esquire magazine

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tried to debunk them and then there was

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a guy who came out and debunked the

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debunkers that [\h__\h] is [\h__\h] useful

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that is important your account it and

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and I don't know where you stand on that

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I mean you're like hey you know because

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some people are like that I hear that

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you know like hey if you can't accept my

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account and look at you know what this

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is really saying in the message okay but

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uh the other side of me says why

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wouldn't we want to go to Every length

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to cut yours is such an important

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account you were dead for an hour so

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from a physiological standpoint people

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should be really interested this isn't

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playing around with was he you know a

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little bit out of it

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why don't you publish all that stuff so

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so somebody who wants to go pick apart

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pick it apart wants to try and pick it

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apart let him try and pick it apart you

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know it's real yeah yeah actually I

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could do that uh I would need to go and

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actually get the records of myself I

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have I have all the bills I the bills

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don't tell me they tell me the billable

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parties so I have all that information

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and so I would have a fish I'd have the

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Physicians names and all of that stuff

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so yeah I I

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I'm I'm open to that for sure definitely

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open to that fantastic that's yeah that

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means a lot and that you don't have to

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bug them you know you can leave other

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people to go and do that yeah people are

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a lot that's that is the positive side

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of what we are experiencing now with

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you know the censorship versus freedom

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of speech kind of thing is like

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put it out there and let people let

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people go

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so okay so if if you're gonna if you're

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willing to do that that's that's a huge

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hurdle and I have a ton of respect for

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you for doing that let me ask you this

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in the book you lay out 10 lessons uh

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that you that you took back and I think

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there are in so many ways they're

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awesome they're where I live on a soul

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level on a spiritual level even though

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I've never had a near-death experience

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I've gained so much from talking to

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people like yourself who have and then

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it resonates with other teachers I've

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had and I go that feels true and I can

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go in that direction were you what was

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that process like because a lot of

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people and I said this in the email

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exchange have

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weird after effects after the near-death

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experience you know it does it isn't

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easy for everybody after they come back

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from a near-death experience

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it is it's not easy in fact uh to me

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that's the hardest part of the whole

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thing the easiest part is dying honestly

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that's the easy part you you just free

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flow into that the hard part is coming

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back and trying to pick up where you

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left off on your life because now you're

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a completely different person after the

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event than you were before the event so

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you're you're almost redefining who you

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are at that point but you know it was

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weird I didn't even realize there was 10

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principles there I'd been sharing the

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the experience and the way I would share

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it I just I I would I almost like a

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speech I just have this way of of

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sharing my experience and I I just

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always shared it that way it's just how

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how I perceived it right and uh it was

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in the process of actually writing down

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the experience that Lynn Taylor my

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writer uh that I worked together with

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him as we were writing it all down he's

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like he said you know Vinnie there's a

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distinct 10 principles here if if you

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want to look there's 10 distinct things

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you're teaching with your experience and

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so until that point I didn't even

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realize there was 10 principles but but

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definitely it's very very obvious uh

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when you when you hear the experience

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now even here are some of the the

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recording there's a lot of people that

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have recorded me sharing this experience

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over you know 15 17 almost 18 years I've

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been sharing it publicly in large forums

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and uh so there's a lot of early

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recordings and you get to these early

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recordings and it's still giving those

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same 10 principles just sometimes two of

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them squished together

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um but it's it's pretty amazing that

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that that framework is there from the

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experience that I had but here's what I

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say to all the people that have had

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you know some people have these hell

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experiences some people have the heaven

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experience to me it depends on where

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they were revived because if I was

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revived right after I died I went into

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this kind of downward spiral where

547
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I was feeling and perceiving all the

548
00:22:22,010 --> 00:22:20,280
negative influences I'd ever been on

549
00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:22,020
other people in my life

550
00:22:26,750 --> 00:22:24,000
so kind of all the bad things I'd ever

551
00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:26,760
done and if I got stuck there and then I

552
00:22:32,330 --> 00:22:29,520
was revived out of that position I would

553
00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:32,340
definitely think I went to help

554
00:22:36,590 --> 00:22:34,320
because that's what it felt like for the

555
00:22:39,289 --> 00:22:36,600
few seconds that or the few moments that

556
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:39,299
I was in that period of reflecting on

557
00:22:43,730 --> 00:22:41,280
the negative things I'd ever done in my

558
00:22:46,970 --> 00:22:43,740
life to me that that was that would be

559
00:22:49,370 --> 00:22:46,980
like hell and uh thank goodness I didn't

560
00:22:51,890 --> 00:22:49,380
I just shortly right after I experienced

561
00:22:54,529 --> 00:22:51,900
that I felt the warmth and love of

562
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:54,539
something from behind me and I and I

563
00:22:59,570 --> 00:22:57,120
started embracing this energy that

564
00:23:01,970 --> 00:22:59,580
showed me all the good that I'd ever

565
00:23:03,649 --> 00:23:01,980
done and and how much more good I'd ever

566
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:03,659
done than anything bad

567
00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:05,760
and that's when and if I had stopped

568
00:23:09,950 --> 00:23:06,720
right there

569
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:09,960
I would have just that that perspective

570
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:11,760
through the whole experience I wouldn't

571
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:14,880
have even seen uh my guy Drake

572
00:23:19,130 --> 00:23:17,039
and if I had been brought back right

573
00:23:20,810 --> 00:23:19,140
after I saw my guide before he could

574
00:23:23,210 --> 00:23:20,820
tell me he wasn't God I would have

575
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:23,220
believed I saw God because he looked

576
00:23:28,730 --> 00:23:25,919
what I thought would be what God looked

577
00:23:31,130 --> 00:23:28,740
like at least what religion's version of

578
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:31,140
God had taught me that he was probably

579
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:33,360
going to look like and come to find out

580
00:23:39,409 --> 00:23:36,720
what he wasn't God he was there in God's

581
00:23:41,930 --> 00:23:39,419
loving energy to help get me to guide me

582
00:23:44,930 --> 00:23:41,940
to have my experience so

583
00:23:46,610 --> 00:23:44,940
yeah it's uh it is very weird though you

584
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:46,620
get a lot of people having very

585
00:23:51,850 --> 00:23:48,720
different experiences but then you have

586
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:51,860
around like 96 97

587
00:23:59,570 --> 00:23:55,200
of your near-death experiencers

588
00:24:02,149 --> 00:23:59,580
meet some type of angelic type guide

589
00:24:04,370 --> 00:24:02,159
uh or Family Guy someone who's attached

590
00:24:07,490 --> 00:24:04,380
to them through their family line and

591
00:24:09,289 --> 00:24:07,500
that guide tends to lead them in a

592
00:24:11,330 --> 00:24:09,299
direction towards heaven towards this

593
00:24:14,029 --> 00:24:11,340
this this home

594
00:24:16,610 --> 00:24:14,039
that we all essentially came from and

595
00:24:18,169 --> 00:24:16,620
going back to so that's that's kind of

596
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:18,179
interesting and there's some new books

597
00:24:22,010 --> 00:24:19,919
that are that have come out just

598
00:24:25,730 --> 00:24:22,020
recently and are coming out this year

599
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:25,740
even that are a compilation of all these

600
00:24:30,770 --> 00:24:28,320
near-death studies and how you can

601
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:30,780
actually tie these all together tie all

602
00:24:34,850 --> 00:24:32,640
these similarities between all these

603
00:24:37,549 --> 00:24:34,860
different near-death experiences and and

604
00:24:39,770 --> 00:24:37,559
it's from that material itself you're

605
00:24:43,610 --> 00:24:39,780
starting to see a science

606
00:24:45,529 --> 00:24:43,620
um an actual science grow up around just

607
00:24:47,690 --> 00:24:45,539
this this collection of all the

608
00:24:49,730 --> 00:24:47,700
near-death experiences because when you

609
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:49,740
get so many people describing the same

610
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:52,320
thing just from different point of view

611
00:24:56,270 --> 00:24:54,720
then you know you're you're coming to

612
00:24:57,770 --> 00:24:56,280
something that's real that's happening

613
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:57,780
for them

614
00:25:05,090 --> 00:25:01,200
well I always felt like Jeff Long who

615
00:25:07,610 --> 00:25:05,100
has 4 000 accounts on his ndeer yes

616
00:25:09,950 --> 00:25:07,620
website yeah Dr Jeff long he's a

617
00:25:12,830 --> 00:25:09,960
radiation oncologist in Louisiana

618
00:25:15,470 --> 00:25:12,840
outside of New Orleans and you know I've

619
00:25:17,450 --> 00:25:15,480
done for years and have told other

620
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:17,460
people to do the same it's searchable so

621
00:25:20,930 --> 00:25:18,960
it's a searchable database you know

622
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:20,940
through a search engine you can go

623
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:22,320
search for whatever you want you can

624
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:26,159
search for hell devil alien yeah search

625
00:25:31,549 --> 00:25:29,760
for anything light Life review and you

626
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:31,559
can read your own accounts and they're

627
00:25:35,690 --> 00:25:33,600
inspirational a lot of times they're

628
00:25:37,789 --> 00:25:35,700
incredibly incredibly inspirational but

629
00:25:40,130 --> 00:25:37,799
they're diverse you know they are very

630
00:25:42,289 --> 00:25:40,140
diverse I wouldn't necessarily agree

631
00:25:44,810 --> 00:25:42,299
with your statement about how all this

632
00:25:46,610 --> 00:25:44,820
science is kind of growing together I

633
00:25:49,250 --> 00:25:46,620
think the science

634
00:25:50,830 --> 00:25:49,260
as I stated before I I think that the

635
00:25:53,630 --> 00:25:50,840
science is

636
00:25:55,549 --> 00:25:53,640
bifurcated in a in a good way in that

637
00:25:57,769 --> 00:25:55,559
but people seem to realize that it's two

638
00:25:59,930 --> 00:25:57,779
one is

639
00:26:01,490 --> 00:25:59,940
does Consciousness survive bodily death

640
00:26:03,169 --> 00:26:01,500
and

641
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:03,179
that needs to be done in a hospital

642
00:26:07,310 --> 00:26:05,279
where we can kind of control the

643
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:07,320
physiological part of it like I think

644
00:26:13,970 --> 00:26:10,320
the best study on that is Dr Penny

645
00:26:16,669 --> 00:26:13,980
Sartori and also Dr Jan Holden at

646
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:16,679
University of North Texas

647
00:26:21,230 --> 00:26:19,919
you go into a cardiac arrest Ward and

648
00:26:23,630 --> 00:26:21,240
you say hey bud

649
00:26:25,850 --> 00:26:23,640
you're you might die do I have your

650
00:26:28,909 --> 00:26:25,860
permission to interview you after you if

651
00:26:31,490 --> 00:26:28,919
you have a cardiac arrest okay and then

652
00:26:33,710 --> 00:26:31,500
a super certain group of people

653
00:26:35,330 --> 00:26:33,720
come out afterwards and they have a

654
00:26:37,250 --> 00:26:35,340
cardiac arrest and they died and are

655
00:26:39,890 --> 00:26:37,260
resuscitated and then you have two

656
00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:39,900
groups because some of the people say I

657
00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:42,000
had a near-death experience some of the

658
00:26:45,470 --> 00:26:43,679
people say I didn't have a near-death

659
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:45,480
experience which is another question

660
00:26:49,850 --> 00:26:48,000
that we have yet to unravel you know is

661
00:26:51,529 --> 00:26:49,860
this a memory thing is it you know we're

662
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:51,539
calling dream kind of thing why do some

663
00:26:55,310 --> 00:26:53,279
people have them some people don't all

664
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:55,320
the rest but from a scientific

665
00:26:59,390 --> 00:26:57,600
standpoint you have two groups now you

666
00:27:01,250 --> 00:26:59,400
go ask the group that had their

667
00:27:04,250 --> 00:27:01,260
near-death experience

668
00:27:06,529 --> 00:27:04,260
to recount their resuscitation and

669
00:27:08,029 --> 00:27:06,539
invariably boom boom boom boom boom just

670
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:08,039
like you in your book the light after

671
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:11,039
death you are outside your body and as

672
00:27:14,570 --> 00:27:13,440
other people tell it too you don't know

673
00:27:15,890 --> 00:27:14,580
that you're outside of your body you're

674
00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:15,900
looking now look at that poor fool

675
00:27:22,490 --> 00:27:17,039
laying

676
00:27:25,789 --> 00:27:22,500
you know dead that poor guy when people

677
00:27:27,289 --> 00:27:25,799
can recount exactly in detail that's

678
00:27:29,390 --> 00:27:27,299
something we can measure scientifically

679
00:27:30,769 --> 00:27:29,400
the resuscitation and then they go over

680
00:27:33,230 --> 00:27:30,779
to the people who didn't have a

681
00:27:35,149 --> 00:27:33,240
videograph experience and they say

682
00:27:37,070 --> 00:27:35,159
what was your resuscitation like and I

683
00:27:39,289 --> 00:27:37,080
go dude what are you talking about I was

684
00:27:41,630 --> 00:27:39,299
dead I don't remember any of it but to

685
00:27:45,529 --> 00:27:41,640
me that's the science and then the other

686
00:27:48,049 --> 00:27:45,539
is Jeff long with the accounts you with

687
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:48,059
your account and that's where I think

688
00:27:52,130 --> 00:27:49,919
and that's why I said initially Vinnie

689
00:27:53,870 --> 00:27:52,140
I'm I'm telling you man I don't do these

690
00:27:56,750 --> 00:27:53,880
kind of interviews because

691
00:27:58,370 --> 00:27:56,760
I don't know you know be authentic

692
00:28:00,529 --> 00:27:58,380
understand your purpose in life love

693
00:28:03,409 --> 00:28:00,539
everyone listen to your inner voice and

694
00:28:06,409 --> 00:28:03,419
then use technology responsibly I don't

695
00:28:07,970 --> 00:28:06,419
know what to do with this stuff I got

696
00:28:09,710 --> 00:28:07,980
guys who are coming at me telling me

697
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:09,720
that if I didn't see Jesus I didn't have

698
00:28:14,210 --> 00:28:12,000
a real nde it's there's so much

699
00:28:17,210 --> 00:28:14,220
diversity in these accounts why would we

700
00:28:20,090 --> 00:28:17,220
say oh you know Vinnie luck of the draw

701
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:20,100
old Drake man he told it to him exactly

702
00:28:23,570 --> 00:28:22,080
the way that it is when I got other

703
00:28:25,310 --> 00:28:23,580
people saying the other thing you know

704
00:28:26,810 --> 00:28:25,320
we've got that famous Doctor Who came

705
00:28:28,610 --> 00:28:26,820
back and said she was given a choice of

706
00:28:30,049 --> 00:28:28,620
whether she could come back or not but

707
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:30,059
if she came back her son was going to

708
00:28:34,190 --> 00:28:31,679
die in 10 years

709
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:34,200
what's how does that work with free will

710
00:28:38,990 --> 00:28:36,960
yeah how does that work along with that

711
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:39,000
yeah and I think here's something here's

712
00:28:44,210 --> 00:28:41,520
a cool side of things and and there's an

713
00:28:46,430 --> 00:28:44,220
Institute out here in Las Vegas uh

714
00:28:47,570 --> 00:28:46,440
called the Bigelow Institute are you

715
00:28:49,850 --> 00:28:47,580
familiar with the work that they're

716
00:28:52,250 --> 00:28:49,860
doing with near-death studies so they're

717
00:28:54,169 --> 00:28:52,260
they're compiling uh

718
00:28:56,029 --> 00:28:54,179
they essentially have a grant or an

719
00:28:58,730 --> 00:28:56,039
award for anybody who can prove the

720
00:29:01,490 --> 00:28:58,740
Consciousness goes beyond mortality be

721
00:29:04,430 --> 00:29:01,500
Beyond life and one of the methods that

722
00:29:07,070 --> 00:29:04,440
they're working with is doing uh brain

723
00:29:10,730 --> 00:29:07,080
scans to see if there's areas of the

724
00:29:13,130 --> 00:29:10,740
brain that are have action or or

725
00:29:15,710 --> 00:29:13,140
electrical movement electrical usage

726
00:29:18,169 --> 00:29:15,720
that are not necessarily active before

727
00:29:20,029 --> 00:29:18,179
their experience so they're taking a

728
00:29:22,610 --> 00:29:20,039
bunch of non-experiencers scanning them

729
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:22,620
compared to experiencers and seeing you

730
00:29:26,990 --> 00:29:25,200
know map to map brain to brain are we

731
00:29:29,149 --> 00:29:27,000
seeing areas of the brain that are

732
00:29:31,610 --> 00:29:29,159
having activity now that didn't

733
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:31,620
necessarily have activity before that's

734
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:33,840
one of the the methodologies that

735
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:36,000
they're working but then there there's a

736
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:37,440
few different experiences that are

737
00:29:41,690 --> 00:29:39,600
experiments that they're doing and I'm

738
00:29:44,210 --> 00:29:41,700
I'm interested to see how all that goes

739
00:29:47,450 --> 00:29:44,220
because I know that this is just you

740
00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:47,460
know science and and religion to me

741
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:49,679
are two sides of one Bridge

742
00:29:54,769 --> 00:29:53,039
that eventually we're able to fill in in

743
00:29:56,450 --> 00:29:54,779
between and it's through studies like

744
00:29:59,389 --> 00:29:56,460
this it's through understanding the

745
00:30:01,909 --> 00:29:59,399
science of the actual experience what's

746
00:30:03,230 --> 00:30:01,919
going on in the neurology when it turns

747
00:30:05,930 --> 00:30:03,240
off because there's got to be chemical

748
00:30:08,269 --> 00:30:05,940
processes continuing to happen

749
00:30:09,529 --> 00:30:08,279
uh inside that brain even when the

750
00:30:11,330 --> 00:30:09,539
lights are out

751
00:30:13,850 --> 00:30:11,340
and

752
00:30:15,710 --> 00:30:13,860
because to me there's there's no

753
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:15,720
explanation how I could be dead for an

754
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:18,480
hour and still be alive I was told I was

755
00:30:24,409 --> 00:30:21,360
my my brother was given a stack of

756
00:30:26,930 --> 00:30:24,419
palliative care pamphlets because all

757
00:30:28,610 --> 00:30:26,940
the doctors had convinced him that I was

758
00:30:31,490 --> 00:30:28,620
never going to come out of this in any

759
00:30:34,010 --> 00:30:31,500
normal way but yet I just woke up I woke

760
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:34,020
up there was no explanation of how I

761
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:36,960
could go from from hey shop a good

762
00:30:43,970 --> 00:30:40,559
hospice to take care of your brother

763
00:30:46,610 --> 00:30:43,980
to oh where's your brother he's jogging

764
00:30:49,450 --> 00:30:46,620
that's literally the step of 24 hours

765
00:30:52,850 --> 00:30:49,460
for my brother so so

766
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:52,860
there's got to be an explanation to that

767
00:30:56,450 --> 00:30:54,480
it's just something we don't fully

768
00:30:57,889 --> 00:30:56,460
understand I think

769
00:31:01,130 --> 00:30:57,899
well I would definitely agree with that

770
00:31:02,470 --> 00:31:01,140
I just what I'm resistant to is see now

771
00:31:05,930 --> 00:31:02,480
I'm going to jump over on the other side

772
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:05,940
uh God's in charge of this stuff you

773
00:31:10,570 --> 00:31:07,679
know what I mean it's like it doesn't

774
00:31:12,769 --> 00:31:10,580
have to make sense in our puny little

775
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:12,779
understanding and when guys get into

776
00:31:18,529 --> 00:31:15,360
this you know we'll cellular these cells

777
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:18,539
must still no the bell all we have from

778
00:31:22,850 --> 00:31:20,159
that says that this should not happen

779
00:31:24,649 --> 00:31:22,860
what the neuros I guess you're

780
00:31:26,690 --> 00:31:24,659
your primary physician or the

781
00:31:28,610 --> 00:31:26,700
neurosurgeon you're a miracle man this

782
00:31:30,529 --> 00:31:28,620
should not happen it defies our

783
00:31:33,230 --> 00:31:30,539
understanding well [\h__\h] we've got a ton

784
00:31:34,490 --> 00:31:33,240
of stuff that defies explanation we

785
00:31:36,769 --> 00:31:34,500
don't need to do the backdoor

786
00:31:39,710 --> 00:31:36,779
materialism and say well one day we'll

787
00:31:41,630 --> 00:31:39,720
we'll explain it I still feel I still

788
00:31:43,970 --> 00:31:41,640
feel there's an explanation even to the

789
00:31:47,470 --> 00:31:43,980
God influence I really do I feel there's

790
00:31:51,230 --> 00:31:47,480
a physics a a scientific

791
00:31:53,450 --> 00:31:51,240
mathematic explanation to life and all

792
00:31:55,370 --> 00:31:53,460
of it and I and I think that's just an

793
00:31:57,529 --> 00:31:55,380
equation we've yet to understand I

794
00:32:00,409 --> 00:31:57,539
really do I think that the the power

795
00:32:02,750 --> 00:32:00,419
that that God has just to allow some to

796
00:32:05,570 --> 00:32:02,760
come back and some not for whatever

797
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:05,580
reason and that that's that's an

798
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:07,440
understanding we we've just yet to

799
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:08,640
understand

800
00:32:14,269 --> 00:32:11,760
perhaps and maybe that brings us to

801
00:32:15,470 --> 00:32:14,279
some of the lessons that you did right

802
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:15,480
and which

803
00:32:23,510 --> 00:32:19,440
really really nicely done you cannot

804
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:23,520
help but feel uplifted and inspired by

805
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:27,120
this book it's a read that kind of

806
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:29,039
hits you with a lot of information you

807
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:30,480
probably knew but there's an

808
00:32:35,169 --> 00:32:32,880
authenticity to it which is

809
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:35,179
number one right that's right there

810
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:37,679
that's the most important principle for

811
00:32:41,930 --> 00:32:39,840
me was authenticity yep do you want to

812
00:32:44,810 --> 00:32:41,940
speak to that a little bit yeah I I

813
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:44,820
think the these are all lessons that are

814
00:32:48,889 --> 00:32:46,559
it's almost like these are lessons that

815
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:48,899
we've already got inside of us and and

816
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:50,640
when they're put in front of us and we

817
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:51,600
read them

818
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:54,000
I mean even when I first read the 10

819
00:32:58,370 --> 00:32:56,399
lessons in the book itself as it was

820
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:58,380
published

821
00:33:03,710 --> 00:33:00,720
um it really synchronized with what I

822
00:33:06,110 --> 00:33:03,720
believed even before I had my near-depth

823
00:33:07,789 --> 00:33:06,120
experience and and I actually call my

824
00:33:10,130 --> 00:33:07,799
experience an after death experience

825
00:33:13,250 --> 00:33:10,140
because I would I did truly get

826
00:33:17,210 --> 00:33:13,260
clinically pronounced dead and

827
00:33:19,730 --> 00:33:17,220
um so you know my Ade I after this and

828
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:19,740
before this they the the 10 principles

829
00:33:24,110 --> 00:33:22,080
completely made sense but it was almost

830
00:33:26,570 --> 00:33:24,120
as if I wasn't getting the 10 principles

831
00:33:28,669 --> 00:33:26,580
correctly

832
00:33:31,310 --> 00:33:28,679
through my religions through my

833
00:33:34,850 --> 00:33:31,320
theologies through my psychologies that

834
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:34,860
that of you know University that I had

835
00:33:40,190 --> 00:33:37,679
lived and worked before

836
00:33:42,289 --> 00:33:40,200
but yet here it was put so plainly and

837
00:33:44,330 --> 00:33:42,299
so simply it's almost like someone

838
00:33:47,210 --> 00:33:44,340
giving you the instructions on how to

839
00:33:49,009 --> 00:33:47,220
operate a machine or a tool that you've

840
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:49,019
been using your whole life and you

841
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:50,640
didn't realize you were kind of using it

842
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:51,840
a little wrong

843
00:33:56,570 --> 00:33:53,760
and that now that you have the

844
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:56,580
instructions you're like oh I I could

845
00:34:01,850 --> 00:33:58,799
fix this really easy for me

846
00:34:04,250 --> 00:34:01,860
and uh because you know

847
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:04,260
one of the the principles in there is is

848
00:34:08,690 --> 00:34:06,480
you know exercising

849
00:34:11,930 --> 00:34:08,700
um the power of creation and avoiding

850
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:11,940
negative influences it one of the the

851
00:34:16,369 --> 00:34:13,679
fundamental things I learned from that

852
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:16,379
was honoring What I Call The Hour of

853
00:34:20,750 --> 00:34:19,200
Power which is the first 30 minutes as

854
00:34:23,570 --> 00:34:20,760
soon as we wake up the last 30 minutes

855
00:34:26,450 --> 00:34:23,580
before we go to bed and this time it's a

856
00:34:28,909 --> 00:34:26,460
sacred precious time that what we allow

857
00:34:31,790 --> 00:34:28,919
in this time we end up framing our night

858
00:34:34,909 --> 00:34:31,800
and framing our day with these two two

859
00:34:36,530 --> 00:34:34,919
little Windows of time but yet we tend

860
00:34:37,790 --> 00:34:36,540
to just let anything get in there

861
00:34:40,609 --> 00:34:37,800
sometimes

862
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:40,619
but if we're if we're

863
00:34:45,409 --> 00:34:43,440
very succinct with what we allow inside

864
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:45,419
our Hour of Power

865
00:34:51,230 --> 00:34:49,200
we can very much control

866
00:34:56,089 --> 00:34:51,240
the

867
00:34:58,730 --> 00:34:56,099
our day about our life if we can really

868
00:35:01,250 --> 00:34:58,740
put something strong in a good way

869
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:01,260
in our Hour of Power we can actually

870
00:35:05,810 --> 00:35:03,359
start feeling a lot better about our

871
00:35:08,089 --> 00:35:05,820
lives but if we put something very

872
00:35:10,190 --> 00:35:08,099
negative in our Hour of Power

873
00:35:12,650 --> 00:35:10,200
we're going to be waking up depressed

874
00:35:14,750 --> 00:35:12,660
without energy feeling like we don't

875
00:35:17,390 --> 00:35:14,760
want to get up and deal with our day

876
00:35:19,069 --> 00:35:17,400
and if that's how we're feeling put

877
00:35:22,430 --> 00:35:19,079
something good in your Hour of Power

878
00:35:25,550 --> 00:35:22,440
it's something so simple but yet

879
00:35:28,609 --> 00:35:25,560
nobody really teaches us that not

880
00:35:30,829 --> 00:35:28,619
in the general way you know

881
00:35:33,230 --> 00:35:30,839
I mean I think that's that's cool I mean

882
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:33,240
that didn't that didn't hit me where I

883
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:36,560
live as much because man I've been doing

884
00:35:40,430 --> 00:35:38,880
self-development for a long time and

885
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:40,440
have tried a lot of different things and

886
00:35:44,990 --> 00:35:42,240
you know good things not that it's not

887
00:35:46,190 --> 00:35:45,000
great and the Gratitude thing and the

888
00:35:49,130 --> 00:35:46,200
journaling first thing in the morning

889
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:49,140
and waking up and you know I'm doing ice

890
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:50,880
bath and I'm doing breathing and I'm

891
00:35:55,550 --> 00:35:52,800
doing yoga and I'm doing meditation I'm

892
00:35:58,609 --> 00:35:55,560
doing all this stuff uh I'm not against

893
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:58,619
it but some of that advice did come

894
00:36:05,930 --> 00:36:01,440
through as not being

895
00:36:09,130 --> 00:36:05,940
like like useful for you on a very kind

896
00:36:11,870 --> 00:36:09,140
of ordinary level it didn't seem to be

897
00:36:15,050 --> 00:36:11,880
extraordinary in the way that it's kind

898
00:36:17,630 --> 00:36:15,060
of framed as you know this is what the

899
00:36:18,829 --> 00:36:17,640
Creator God kind of told me kind of

900
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:18,839
thing because I can go listen to

901
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:22,800
ecratoli and be incredibly inspired by

902
00:36:27,890 --> 00:36:25,440
some very simple things he says about or

903
00:36:31,010 --> 00:36:27,900
Mickey singer is another guy I really

904
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:31,020
admire the untethered soul I think he he

905
00:36:35,630 --> 00:36:33,359
speaks about you know these things

906
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:35,640
coming more from a yogic standpoint and

907
00:36:39,170 --> 00:36:37,440
again it's like we don't need to think

908
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:39,180
we don't need to do we don't need you

909
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:41,280
know we need to just get in touch with

910
00:36:46,130 --> 00:36:43,440
that flow of love and energy that's

911
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:46,140
always there you are a Christian you are

912
00:36:49,970 --> 00:36:47,520
a Christian before you're a Christian

913
00:36:52,609 --> 00:36:49,980
after I want you to speak to that

914
00:36:53,870 --> 00:36:52,619
because the book as I think I was just

915
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:53,880
saying there where I was really getting

916
00:36:58,730 --> 00:36:56,480
is there's a certain Christian

917
00:37:02,870 --> 00:36:58,740
sensibility to it

918
00:37:05,810 --> 00:37:02,880
not not bad I mean it's but it's not

919
00:37:07,730 --> 00:37:05,820
it's funny that you were a Christian you

920
00:37:10,370 --> 00:37:07,740
are a Christian and some of these things

921
00:37:12,770 --> 00:37:10,380
come across as churchy

922
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:12,780
yeah and that that's got to be that's

923
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:16,560
part of of who I am I mean I was a an

924
00:37:21,650 --> 00:37:18,960
avid churchgoer before my experience and

925
00:37:24,170 --> 00:37:21,660
and I I took a few years away from

926
00:37:26,210 --> 00:37:24,180
church in the party life and then when I

927
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:26,220
worked uh TV and entertainment and

928
00:37:31,609 --> 00:37:29,040
working in in movies but I'll tell you

929
00:37:34,190 --> 00:37:31,619
the the big thing for me was after the

930
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:34,200
experience oh I was I was so about

931
00:37:38,690 --> 00:37:37,200
church I wanted to be I wanted it was

932
00:37:40,670 --> 00:37:38,700
like I couldn't get enough Church some

933
00:37:42,170 --> 00:37:40,680
Sundays like I wanted to go to different

934
00:37:45,470 --> 00:37:42,180
churches all the time see different

935
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:45,480
churches see how they they worship at uh

936
00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:48,000
at a you know different monasteries and

937
00:37:53,810 --> 00:37:50,880
different temples and churches I just

938
00:37:56,089 --> 00:37:53,820
really wanted to get I wanted to see God

939
00:37:58,730 --> 00:37:56,099
I wanted to see that that God energy

940
00:38:00,530 --> 00:37:58,740
that I saw and experienced in heaven I

941
00:38:02,690 --> 00:38:00,540
wanted to see if I could find it in all

942
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:02,700
these different places here and it's

943
00:38:08,510 --> 00:38:05,040
funny the places I found it the most is

944
00:38:09,950 --> 00:38:08,520
in the people around me in the eyes of

945
00:38:12,890 --> 00:38:09,960
the people around me that's where I've

946
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:12,900
seen that heaven energy that God energy

947
00:38:16,730 --> 00:38:15,359
the most is in the people not the places

948
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:16,740
but the people

949
00:38:22,670 --> 00:38:20,880
and um yeah you know in it I'm sure it

950
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:22,680
does come across as churchy because I

951
00:38:28,190 --> 00:38:24,720
was raised in a very Church

952
00:38:30,290 --> 00:38:28,200
uh centered home or god-centered home uh

953
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:30,300
but what you know for instance one of

954
00:38:34,490 --> 00:38:31,440
the principles I actually really

955
00:38:39,050 --> 00:38:34,500
struggled with at the time was uh

956
00:38:41,089 --> 00:38:39,060
understanding how to have a a uh a good

957
00:38:43,490 --> 00:38:41,099
relationship with technology because I

958
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:43,500
had my experience back 2003

959
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:45,599
in 2003 there wasn't a lot of technology

960
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:48,240
to me that was like okay so you turn off

961
00:38:52,970 --> 00:38:51,119
the satellite TV I mean I mean back then

962
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:52,980
we some of us were diving into email

963
00:38:58,370 --> 00:38:55,920
every day that was about the the some of

964
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:58,380
us maybe a MySpace page but most of that

965
00:39:04,849 --> 00:39:01,200
was all PC centered you know at home on

966
00:39:07,130 --> 00:39:04,859
your PC not on the cell phones yet and

967
00:39:09,849 --> 00:39:07,140
so I didn't really understand the threat

968
00:39:13,010 --> 00:39:09,859
of how technology is a threat now

969
00:39:15,770 --> 00:39:13,020
because uh I see it now I see people

970
00:39:18,349 --> 00:39:15,780
completely addicted to technology I see

971
00:39:20,990 --> 00:39:18,359
that I go around and I'll see a family

972
00:39:22,490 --> 00:39:21,000
at a restaurant that every single person

973
00:39:24,730 --> 00:39:22,500
in that family stares at a phone

974
00:39:28,250 --> 00:39:24,740
including the baby

975
00:39:30,829 --> 00:39:28,260
and nobody's having any interactions

976
00:39:33,170 --> 00:39:30,839
and and what's funny is a laughter will

977
00:39:34,990 --> 00:39:33,180
start at one end of the table and then

978
00:39:37,310 --> 00:39:35,000
they'll message each other

979
00:39:39,290 --> 00:39:37,320
whatever joke or thing that they're

980
00:39:41,329 --> 00:39:39,300
laughing about and they're all laughing

981
00:39:43,849 --> 00:39:41,339
one at a time as they see it and open it

982
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:43,859
and it's like that's that to me

983
00:39:50,750 --> 00:39:47,760
is is missing The Human Experience is

984
00:39:53,210 --> 00:39:50,760
missing the beauty of of this life and

985
00:39:55,790 --> 00:39:53,220
and that's where I think the that that

986
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:55,800
principle of understanding a responsible

987
00:39:59,870 --> 00:39:57,839
relationship with technology comes in

988
00:40:03,170 --> 00:39:59,880
and you know the again I learned that

989
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:03,180
back in 2003 long before this was any

990
00:40:09,050 --> 00:40:06,000
type of threat to me or to to the

991
00:40:11,930 --> 00:40:09,060
humanity you know technology was very in

992
00:40:13,310 --> 00:40:11,940
its infant stages I think uh compared to

993
00:40:14,210 --> 00:40:13,320
where it is now and where it's going

994
00:40:16,609 --> 00:40:14,220
next

995
00:40:19,970 --> 00:40:16,619
it's hard to disagree with that on one

996
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:19,980
hand and I you know we all get that yeah

997
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:22,560
I don't get it from an nde perspective

998
00:40:26,810 --> 00:40:24,240
because I don't get it from a god

999
00:40:29,810 --> 00:40:26,820
perspective I mean God is asleep at the

1000
00:40:31,550 --> 00:40:29,820
switch this is 2003. why do we have ai

1001
00:40:35,390 --> 00:40:31,560
why do we have artificial intelligence

1002
00:40:37,790 --> 00:40:35,400
with robots who are you know like doing

1003
00:40:39,530 --> 00:40:37,800
your doing your trading shooting drone

1004
00:40:41,329 --> 00:40:39,540
bombs you know probably going to be in

1005
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:41,339
the next War why do we have genetic

1006
00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:42,960
engineering why do we have transhumanism

1007
00:40:47,329 --> 00:40:45,359
why is it being jammed down our throat

1008
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:47,339
not to mention the tick tock dopamine as

1009
00:40:51,470 --> 00:40:49,920
I go through my reel you know like one

1010
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,480
of the things you say in in the book is

1011
00:40:55,069 --> 00:40:53,520
hey it's the timeline forget the

1012
00:40:57,650 --> 00:40:55,079
timeline the past the present the future

1013
00:41:00,250 --> 00:40:57,660
it's all one well then I I don't get the

1014
00:41:02,930 --> 00:41:00,260
advice this is back to the

1015
00:41:04,849 --> 00:41:02,940
Commandments chiseled on the stone that

1016
00:41:06,109 --> 00:41:04,859
does never worked out what does it mean

1017
00:41:11,150 --> 00:41:06,119
you know

1018
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:11,160
back to my experience itself I've never

1019
00:41:15,410 --> 00:41:13,440
I've never ever professed that this

1020
00:41:18,349 --> 00:41:15,420
experience was anybody for anybody but

1021
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:18,359
for me really and it's just I've had a

1022
00:41:21,230 --> 00:41:19,920
lot of people say they've wanted to hear

1023
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:21,240
it they've wanted me to share it with

1024
00:41:24,890 --> 00:41:23,040
their friends share it with their church

1025
00:41:28,010 --> 00:41:24,900
group share it with their group of of

1026
00:41:30,109 --> 00:41:28,020
people whatever group this is and and so

1027
00:41:32,210 --> 00:41:30,119
that's why I published it I I don't uh

1028
00:41:33,829 --> 00:41:32,220
profess that it's it's an answer to

1029
00:41:37,250 --> 00:41:33,839
anybody's problems

1030
00:41:40,670 --> 00:41:37,260
but what I do uh profess it to be

1031
00:41:42,650 --> 00:41:40,680
is something that really helped me

1032
00:41:44,510 --> 00:41:42,660
you know to have that experience and to

1033
00:41:46,370 --> 00:41:44,520
have it the way that it did happen for

1034
00:41:48,349 --> 00:41:46,380
me and I think that those 10 principles

1035
00:41:49,130 --> 00:41:48,359
aren't necessarily 10 principles for the

1036
00:41:50,990 --> 00:41:49,140
world

1037
00:41:52,849 --> 00:41:51,000
those are where the 10 principles for me

1038
00:41:54,589 --> 00:41:52,859
because that's what I needed to hear and

1039
00:41:56,750 --> 00:41:54,599
not only did I need to hear it I needed

1040
00:42:00,050 --> 00:41:56,760
to get some of those principles really

1041
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:00,060
deeply planted in me who I am so that

1042
00:42:05,390 --> 00:42:03,119
later as technology develops and as it

1043
00:42:07,849 --> 00:42:05,400
became becomes a true psychological

1044
00:42:09,410 --> 00:42:07,859
threat where every single day the more

1045
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:09,420
you allow yourself to pour your

1046
00:42:13,310 --> 00:42:12,240
Consciousness into technology the sadder

1047
00:42:18,050 --> 00:42:13,320
you feel

1048
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:18,060
are so addicted to those dopamine hits

1049
00:42:22,310 --> 00:42:20,160
and you'd rather have the little tiny

1050
00:42:25,010 --> 00:42:22,320
hit of dopamine than than the good

1051
00:42:27,290 --> 00:42:25,020
injection of Serotonin of going on a

1052
00:42:29,569 --> 00:42:27,300
walk or going on a run or being you know

1053
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:29,579
moving moving your body

1054
00:42:34,670 --> 00:42:32,400
and and I think that's why those those

1055
00:42:36,589 --> 00:42:34,680
10 principles really connect for me I

1056
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:36,599
don't I again I don't profess it's for

1057
00:42:42,050 --> 00:42:39,119
anybody else I I appreciate that they do

1058
00:42:44,109 --> 00:42:42,060
speak to other people but um to me all

1059
00:42:47,810 --> 00:42:44,119
it was about was sharing my experience

1060
00:42:51,050 --> 00:42:47,820
and how it had an impact on me the the

1061
00:42:52,490 --> 00:42:51,060
biggest aha for me though was these

1062
00:42:55,609 --> 00:42:52,500
certain things that would come through

1063
00:42:57,530 --> 00:42:55,619
spirit that were undeniable to the

1064
00:42:58,910 --> 00:42:57,540
skeptic inside of me

1065
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:58,920
I mean just like with that

1066
00:43:04,010 --> 00:43:01,680
psychotherapist where I I bring through

1067
00:43:07,010 --> 00:43:04,020
some personal information about him and

1068
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:07,020
his childhood that that was irrefutiful

1069
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:08,640
that he had even forgotten had happened

1070
00:43:15,410 --> 00:43:12,720
to him tell that story so I'm I I really

1071
00:43:17,630 --> 00:43:15,420
I think that I'm I'm crazy at this time

1072
00:43:19,730 --> 00:43:17,640
I had my experience and I had a

1073
00:43:22,490 --> 00:43:19,740
neurologist who was telling me that that

1074
00:43:25,609 --> 00:43:22,500
it was my imagination making things up

1075
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:25,619
and so I I really did I'm sitting there

1076
00:43:32,030 --> 00:43:29,760
I have a very strong sense of Science in

1077
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:32,040
my brain I always have and so I'm

1078
00:43:37,010 --> 00:43:34,560
sitting there thinking wow this is

1079
00:43:39,950 --> 00:43:37,020
dangerous to have this guy who thinks he

1080
00:43:43,069 --> 00:43:39,960
perceives Spirit he thinks he hears

1081
00:43:45,770 --> 00:43:43,079
Spirit everywhere he goes and and get

1082
00:43:48,290 --> 00:43:45,780
that guy as me just to clarify in case

1083
00:43:50,210 --> 00:43:48,300
it wasn't clear you have this in

1084
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:50,220
incredible near-death experience like

1085
00:43:54,530 --> 00:43:51,839
you said after you're dead I mean you

1086
00:43:57,770 --> 00:43:54,540
were completely dead cold rigor mortis

1087
00:44:00,589 --> 00:43:57,780
is setting in yeah literally yeah in a

1088
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:00,599
locked bathroom of a Dairy Queen because

1089
00:44:06,109 --> 00:44:03,839
you ate drank some uh

1090
00:44:07,730 --> 00:44:06,119
some supplement then you took the wrong

1091
00:44:10,190 --> 00:44:07,740
dose accidentally understandable but

1092
00:44:12,109 --> 00:44:10,200
anyways now you recover and your

1093
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:12,119
recovery is unbelievable because no one

1094
00:44:15,410 --> 00:44:14,160
can get over it's instantaneous you come

1095
00:44:17,329 --> 00:44:15,420
out and like you said you're ready to

1096
00:44:20,450 --> 00:44:17,339
jog and do this stuff and the first guy

1097
00:44:23,390 --> 00:44:20,460
comes in the first DOC comes in and says

1098
00:44:24,589 --> 00:44:23,400
yeah you know what it is uh I can tell

1099
00:44:27,170 --> 00:44:24,599
you Vinnie you know all those things

1100
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:27,180
you're telling me oxygen deprivation to

1101
00:44:32,089 --> 00:44:30,240
the brain you know and then you go yeah

1102
00:44:34,609 --> 00:44:32,099
now you're hearing stuff and you're like

1103
00:44:37,450 --> 00:44:34,619
man I don't know what's going on here

1104
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:37,460
and stuff I better go see a real

1105
00:44:41,630 --> 00:44:39,359
psychiatrist to get because

1106
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:41,640
psychiatrists can give me meds and maybe

1107
00:44:45,890 --> 00:44:43,760
that's what I need is meds to stop

1108
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:45,900
hallucinating and having these delusions

1109
00:44:50,690 --> 00:44:48,240
and you go see the psychiatrist right

1110
00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:50,700
well actually I saw a psychologist and

1111
00:44:54,530 --> 00:44:52,800
he referred me to the psychiatrist so he

1112
00:44:56,750 --> 00:44:54,540
he's like you know what you're beyond my

1113
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:56,760
skill level and my capability you need

1114
00:45:01,849 --> 00:44:58,800
to go see this guy so I went to his

1115
00:45:04,190 --> 00:45:01,859
friend who was the the the the real good

1116
00:45:07,069 --> 00:45:04,200
you know professional and as I'm seeing

1117
00:45:08,690 --> 00:45:07,079
him he I have a guide I have a spirit

1118
00:45:10,250 --> 00:45:08,700
guide and he's sitting there telling me

1119
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,260
don't you take these medicines he's

1120
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:12,240
going to try to give you and I'm like

1121
00:45:16,370 --> 00:45:13,920
that sounds crazy

1122
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:16,380
to have a voice sitting here saying

1123
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:18,480
don't take these medicines but yet I'm

1124
00:45:23,809 --> 00:45:21,359
like okay if that's a real voice then

1125
00:45:25,250 --> 00:45:23,819
then what am I supposed to tell him to

1126
00:45:26,569 --> 00:45:25,260
make him believe he shouldn't give them

1127
00:45:28,190 --> 00:45:26,579
to me

1128
00:45:30,349 --> 00:45:28,200
and that's when all of a sudden this

1129
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:30,359
ground this like grandmother type figure

1130
00:45:35,390 --> 00:45:32,880
shows up for him and literally shows up

1131
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:35,400
for him not from me came from his his

1132
00:45:40,010 --> 00:45:37,920
side of things and she says you need to

1133
00:45:42,290 --> 00:45:40,020
tell remind him about this that this

1134
00:45:45,710 --> 00:45:42,300
happened to him this is why he went into

1135
00:45:47,569 --> 00:45:45,720
the medical field into the mental and

1136
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:47,579
psychology and the the actual chemistry

1137
00:45:51,710 --> 00:45:49,680
side of things this is why he went into

1138
00:45:54,290 --> 00:45:51,720
this you need to remind him of this

1139
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:54,300
because he's forgotten about it and so

1140
00:45:59,150 --> 00:45:55,920
it was going to be a dual purpose thing

1141
00:46:01,910 --> 00:45:59,160
for him it was going to be kind of a a

1142
00:46:05,630 --> 00:46:01,920
ruler of oh here's a guy who's bringing

1143
00:46:07,550 --> 00:46:05,640
forth truth he's not so crazy but also

1144
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:07,560
it was going to be a nice reminder oh

1145
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:09,119
yeah that's why you've gotten this whole

1146
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:11,520
field to begin with no I take it that

1147
00:46:17,390 --> 00:46:14,880
this is a not so nice reminder I mean

1148
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:17,400
this triggers something very uh deep and

1149
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:18,960
potentially dark with this guy I don't

1150
00:46:22,670 --> 00:46:20,640
know because you don't reveal it but

1151
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:22,680
it's not like a nice reminder because

1152
00:46:26,990 --> 00:46:24,480
the way there's a trauma it was it was

1153
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:27,000
definitely early life trauma but what I

1154
00:46:31,309 --> 00:46:29,520
was bringing forth was how this

1155
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:31,319
grandmother figure had stopped the

1156
00:46:35,630 --> 00:46:33,599
trauma for him

1157
00:46:37,730 --> 00:46:35,640
and that that's why she was the one

1158
00:46:40,910 --> 00:46:37,740
bringing it Forward saying hey I was the

1159
00:46:42,349 --> 00:46:40,920
one to nip that in the butt and and help

1160
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:42,359
you realize you didn't need to be a

1161
00:46:45,530 --> 00:46:43,680
victim anymore

1162
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:45,540
and that's why she was coming for and

1163
00:46:50,089 --> 00:46:47,520
she was using so much love to share that

1164
00:46:52,910 --> 00:46:50,099
with me and then I'm I'm sitting there

1165
00:46:54,770 --> 00:46:52,920
this 25 year old everyone calls the

1166
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:54,780
miracle boy who I think I'm mentally

1167
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:57,839
crazy and and I'm supposed to now tell

1168
00:47:02,150 --> 00:47:00,240
him somehow so I just told him the best

1169
00:47:04,130 --> 00:47:02,160
way possible which I'm I guarantee I

1170
00:47:06,290 --> 00:47:04,140
didn't sugarcoat it

1171
00:47:09,650 --> 00:47:06,300
um I just I almost I just slammed it out

1172
00:47:12,349 --> 00:47:09,660
there on the desk and and I I wasn't

1173
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:12,359
gonna say anything but my own guide told

1174
00:47:17,710 --> 00:47:15,359
me that I had to share that with him

1175
00:47:20,030 --> 00:47:17,720
before I picked up the prescription

1176
00:47:22,370 --> 00:47:20,040
before I actually picked up the paper

1177
00:47:24,410 --> 00:47:22,380
because he was done writing he wrote two

1178
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:24,420
and he was writing a third one and he

1179
00:47:29,390 --> 00:47:26,400
was writing that third one when I just

1180
00:47:31,010 --> 00:47:29,400
kind of casually brought this up and I

1181
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:31,020
do remember saying

1182
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:32,880
um so there's an older woman here she's

1183
00:47:38,089 --> 00:47:35,520
related to you and she's saying this and

1184
00:47:39,710 --> 00:47:38,099
I just laid it out there that's when he

1185
00:47:42,050 --> 00:47:39,720
dropped his prescription pad because

1186
00:47:43,250 --> 00:47:42,060
this is back when you know at least in

1187
00:47:44,210 --> 00:47:43,260
his field he was handwriting

1188
00:47:46,970 --> 00:47:44,220
prescriptions

1189
00:47:49,550 --> 00:47:46,980
he drops the Prescription Pad you drop

1190
00:47:52,010 --> 00:47:49,560
the pen and he pointed his finger about

1191
00:47:54,410 --> 00:47:52,020
an inch away from my nose and said you

1192
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:54,420
get the F out of here

1193
00:48:01,069 --> 00:47:57,839
and I didn't know what to do and his his

1194
00:48:02,630 --> 00:48:01,079
little uh secretary heard that and when

1195
00:48:05,150 --> 00:48:02,640
I was on my way out the door she was

1196
00:48:07,790 --> 00:48:05,160
like what happened what did you say to

1197
00:48:10,130 --> 00:48:07,800
him and and I go I don't know I don't

1198
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,140
know I just I just said what came to me

1199
00:48:14,990 --> 00:48:12,960
do I pause you after that Vinnie to tell

1200
00:48:16,550 --> 00:48:15,000
that previous story so I left in a

1201
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:16,560
little bit of a tough I was pretty

1202
00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:18,720
pissed at him like how unprofessional of

1203
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:21,359
him to act like that but I didn't know

1204
00:48:24,609 --> 00:48:23,040
that what I just told him was a hundred

1205
00:48:27,170 --> 00:48:24,619
percent true

1206
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:27,180
obviously later I figured it out but he

1207
00:48:33,170 --> 00:48:29,359
called me about 15 minutes down the road

1208
00:48:36,050 --> 00:48:33,180
and I was on my cell phone picked up and

1209
00:48:37,550 --> 00:48:36,060
he and he said you know this is this is

1210
00:48:39,230 --> 00:48:37,560
your doctor I want you to know that

1211
00:48:41,630 --> 00:48:39,240
whatever happened to you must have

1212
00:48:43,130 --> 00:48:41,640
happened to you because the fact that

1213
00:48:46,010 --> 00:48:43,140
you brought up something that I had

1214
00:48:48,290 --> 00:48:46,020
completely forgotten even happened to me

1215
00:48:50,569 --> 00:48:48,300
that somehow he had actually blocked it

1216
00:48:53,150 --> 00:48:50,579
himself but me bringing it up actually

1217
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:53,160
it was such a truth bomb for him that

1218
00:48:58,190 --> 00:48:55,920
there was no way for him to believe he

1219
00:49:00,349 --> 00:48:58,200
needed to give me any prescriptions and

1220
00:49:02,990 --> 00:49:00,359
and mainly that's what it was for

1221
00:49:05,390 --> 00:49:03,000
and so I did go away without taking any

1222
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:05,400
prescriptions for that so if any one

1223
00:49:11,569 --> 00:49:07,920
other lesson from the light after death

1224
00:49:13,490 --> 00:49:11,579
that I thought was particularly well

1225
00:49:16,550 --> 00:49:13,500
done on your part and and I love the way

1226
00:49:18,829 --> 00:49:16,560
that you just referenced this before and

1227
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:18,839
let me just kind of put an exclamation

1228
00:49:23,450 --> 00:49:21,599
point on this this was your experience

1229
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:23,460
and when I hear you saying and tell me

1230
00:49:27,890 --> 00:49:25,440
if I'm wrong but you kind of feeling

1231
00:49:31,069 --> 00:49:27,900
this is tailored for you

1232
00:49:33,230 --> 00:49:31,079
for your journey and what you need

1233
00:49:35,690 --> 00:49:33,240
absolutely absolutely yeah I've never

1234
00:49:38,089 --> 00:49:35,700
I've had people even say hey can I use

1235
00:49:40,010 --> 00:49:38,099
these 10 principles to build like a a

1236
00:49:42,170 --> 00:49:40,020
religious group or build this or build

1237
00:49:44,510 --> 00:49:42,180
that and and I've always said no this is

1238
00:49:47,930 --> 00:49:44,520
this is for all religions this is for

1239
00:49:50,510 --> 00:49:47,940
this is primarily for me but if someone

1240
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:50,520
can help themselves get more connected

1241
00:49:55,250 --> 00:49:52,800
to their God through these 10 principles

1242
00:49:57,530 --> 00:49:55,260
awesome but I'm not going to go and put

1243
00:49:59,210 --> 00:49:57,540
these 10 principles up anywhere and say

1244
00:50:01,069 --> 00:49:59,220
they're anybody's gospel because they're

1245
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:01,079
not they're they're just uh 10

1246
00:50:05,390 --> 00:50:02,880
principles that were given to me in my

1247
00:50:07,730 --> 00:50:05,400
experience and and man have they helped

1248
00:50:10,370 --> 00:50:07,740
me since and and what's weird is they're

1249
00:50:12,109 --> 00:50:10,380
getting more and more important as my

1250
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:12,119
own life is progressing further and

1251
00:50:17,329 --> 00:50:15,119
further on my my journey of life you

1252
00:50:20,210 --> 00:50:17,339
know as a father these 10 principles are

1253
00:50:21,710 --> 00:50:20,220
are just invaluable and and I've taught

1254
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:21,720
it to my 13 year olds and I'm now

1255
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:24,240
teaching it to my my two-year-old that

1256
00:50:29,089 --> 00:50:26,160
he'll he'll have a good embodiment of

1257
00:50:32,030 --> 00:50:29,099
the ten principles four kids good luck

1258
00:50:34,329 --> 00:50:32,040
just so you know your children are your

1259
00:50:36,970 --> 00:50:34,339
children yeah they are

1260
00:50:38,530 --> 00:50:36,980
they come through you but not from you

1261
00:50:42,589 --> 00:50:38,540
exactly

1262
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:42,599
so uh I liked listen to your inner voice

1263
00:50:47,390 --> 00:50:45,119
because there was some subtlety and

1264
00:50:49,130 --> 00:50:47,400
Nuance to that that really resonated

1265
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:49,140
with me

1266
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:52,079
talk to folks about what it means to

1267
00:50:57,470 --> 00:50:54,000
listen to your inner voice

1268
00:50:59,809 --> 00:50:57,480
so you know sometimes we'll be going

1269
00:51:02,690 --> 00:50:59,819
about our day and and one of our friends

1270
00:51:04,490 --> 00:51:02,700
one of our relatives they'll they'll get

1271
00:51:06,589 --> 00:51:04,500
stuck in our Consciousness we can't get

1272
00:51:08,450 --> 00:51:06,599
them out of our mind and the reason

1273
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:08,460
that's happening is that's part of that

1274
00:51:14,510 --> 00:51:11,520
quantum entanglement that they need us

1275
00:51:15,970 --> 00:51:14,520
or we need to hear from them somehow and

1276
00:51:20,089 --> 00:51:15,980
if we would follow

1277
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:20,099
that that perception that intuition we

1278
00:51:25,849 --> 00:51:23,520
would actually see our our own life be

1279
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:25,859
blessed and their life be blessed by

1280
00:51:30,049 --> 00:51:27,839
whatever takes place

1281
00:51:33,290 --> 00:51:30,059
um one of the the coolest exercises I

1282
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:33,300
like to give people is is ask yourself

1283
00:51:38,930 --> 00:51:36,240
who needs me today and ask yourself that

1284
00:51:40,430 --> 00:51:38,940
every single morning and if you can have

1285
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:40,440
a piece of paper there so you can write

1286
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:42,480
down the name that comes to you and

1287
00:51:48,109 --> 00:51:44,880
you'd be very impressed that how often

1288
00:51:50,510 --> 00:51:48,119
when you ask who needs me today

1289
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:50,520
uh how often a name actually comes to

1290
00:51:54,650 --> 00:51:52,800
you or a face of someone comes to you

1291
00:51:56,329 --> 00:51:54,660
and you might not even recognize the

1292
00:51:58,370 --> 00:51:56,339
face and then later in your day you

1293
00:52:01,609 --> 00:51:58,380
recognize the face as one of the faces

1294
00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:01,619
you've seen and and and this is the

1295
00:52:04,910 --> 00:52:02,880
beautiful part

1296
00:52:06,890 --> 00:52:04,920
some people are seeing someone's face

1297
00:52:07,849 --> 00:52:06,900
someone they've never seen in their life

1298
00:52:09,890 --> 00:52:07,859
before

1299
00:52:11,630 --> 00:52:09,900
and then two hours later they see that

1300
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:11,640
person at the gas station and they're

1301
00:52:16,670 --> 00:52:13,680
like oh that's the person that needs me

1302
00:52:19,010 --> 00:52:16,680
today and I know exactly what what God's

1303
00:52:21,170 --> 00:52:19,020
talking about when When God says they

1304
00:52:23,450 --> 00:52:21,180
need me is because now the scene has

1305
00:52:24,589 --> 00:52:23,460
played itself out they recognize the

1306
00:52:27,049 --> 00:52:24,599
player

1307
00:52:28,609 --> 00:52:27,059
and it's it's a beautiful thing it's a

1308
00:52:31,010 --> 00:52:28,619
beautiful beautiful thing you can watch

1309
00:52:32,329 --> 00:52:31,020
your life come alive with this single

1310
00:52:34,670 --> 00:52:32,339
exercise

1311
00:52:36,530 --> 00:52:34,680
you know that's that's awesome and it's

1312
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:36,540
it's so wonderful because I kind of took

1313
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:38,400
it in a completely different direction

1314
00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:40,800
in that you know one of the things that

1315
00:52:46,730 --> 00:52:42,960
I kind of focus on is

1316
00:52:48,530 --> 00:52:46,740
I've created the mess that is that inner

1317
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:48,540
voice that kind of goes all over for all

1318
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:50,640
of us and is scattered and isn't always

1319
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:52,800
as compassionate and connected to my

1320
00:52:56,569 --> 00:52:54,720
wife and my children and everyone else I

1321
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:56,579
should be and the first thing I need to

1322
00:53:02,750 --> 00:53:00,480
do is seek calm and to the first thing I

1323
00:53:05,470 --> 00:53:02,760
need to do is Do no harm today you know

1324
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:05,480
Do no harm don't let my mouth

1325
00:53:12,890 --> 00:53:08,880
or my actions make things worse if you

1326
00:53:14,510 --> 00:53:12,900
will and just release into not trying to

1327
00:53:16,250 --> 00:53:14,520
pass not trying to get ahead and stuff

1328
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:16,260
like that so what I really took away

1329
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:18,480
from your chapter on listen to your

1330
00:53:22,849 --> 00:53:20,400
inner voice was

1331
00:53:25,849 --> 00:53:22,859
that it's there

1332
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:25,859
and we can train ourselves to become

1333
00:53:31,849 --> 00:53:29,280
more in touch with it so it's funny I I

1334
00:53:33,950 --> 00:53:31,859
kind of stopped there my life experience

1335
00:53:37,069 --> 00:53:33,960
tells me that I don't want to get into

1336
00:53:40,010 --> 00:53:37,079
that game of trying to be God Soldier

1337
00:53:42,109 --> 00:53:40,020
and God needs my help I think God's got

1338
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:42,119
everything you know yeah if I can get

1339
00:53:47,569 --> 00:53:44,400
the hell out of the way that's probably

1340
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:47,579
what God wants me to do yeah it's cool

1341
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:50,160
it's cool that you take it you take it

1342
00:53:55,010 --> 00:53:53,520
one way and you shared it with me and I

1343
00:53:57,770 --> 00:53:55,020
found it important it took it a

1344
00:54:00,170 --> 00:53:57,780
different way well I love I love that

1345
00:54:03,710 --> 00:54:00,180
way that you take it too because that

1346
00:54:06,290 --> 00:54:03,720
adds a whole nother Dynamic to that that

1347
00:54:09,170 --> 00:54:06,300
principle alone I mean the the other

1348
00:54:11,329 --> 00:54:09,180
this is about a year ago my wife was

1349
00:54:13,130 --> 00:54:11,339
driving down the street and she she

1350
00:54:14,930 --> 00:54:13,140
hears me telling these 10 principles

1351
00:54:17,569 --> 00:54:14,940
constantly so she's always trying to

1352
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:17,579
embody her own 10 principles her own

1353
00:54:20,809 --> 00:54:18,480
version

1354
00:54:22,190 --> 00:54:20,819
and she feels this feeling you need to

1355
00:54:24,530 --> 00:54:22,200
pull over right now

1356
00:54:26,569 --> 00:54:24,540
and she's right in front of a VFW of

1357
00:54:28,849 --> 00:54:26,579
Veterans of Foreign Wares Lodge or

1358
00:54:30,410 --> 00:54:28,859
Foreign Wars Lodge and she's like I've

1359
00:54:32,930 --> 00:54:30,420
never been there why would I pull in

1360
00:54:34,670 --> 00:54:32,940
there her ego her brain is saying why

1361
00:54:35,930 --> 00:54:34,680
would you pull in there she did it

1362
00:54:39,290 --> 00:54:35,940
anyway

1363
00:54:41,930 --> 00:54:39,300
and just seconds later a car running

1364
00:54:44,510 --> 00:54:41,940
from the police came and rammed through

1365
00:54:46,910 --> 00:54:44,520
all the cars that she was next to in

1366
00:54:48,530 --> 00:54:46,920
traffic Ram through all of them and then

1367
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:48,540
made its way through that intersection

1368
00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:51,599
and took off but they you know how many

1369
00:54:55,609 --> 00:54:53,520
countless cars there's at least six or

1370
00:54:57,890 --> 00:54:55,619
seven that she saw that they're now

1371
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:57,900
gonna have to claim something on their

1372
00:55:02,690 --> 00:55:00,480
insurance of a hit and run as a guy runs

1373
00:55:03,890 --> 00:55:02,700
from the police so as simple simple

1374
00:55:06,770 --> 00:55:03,900
little thing it wasn't going to kill

1375
00:55:09,710 --> 00:55:06,780
anybody but it would be extra hardship

1376
00:55:11,450 --> 00:55:09,720
for her to go through and and so she

1377
00:55:14,329 --> 00:55:11,460
followed that simple prompting it was an

1378
00:55:16,790 --> 00:55:14,339
awesome opportunity for her

1379
00:55:19,490 --> 00:55:16,800
um another time where I was you know me

1380
00:55:22,190 --> 00:55:19,500
me and her we we tend to try to do good

1381
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:22,200
things that we come to us and we were on

1382
00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:24,240
one of these little um escapades of

1383
00:55:28,790 --> 00:55:26,160
trying to help somebody out we got

1384
00:55:31,130 --> 00:55:28,800
finally got done with it and we're going

1385
00:55:34,130 --> 00:55:31,140
to this gas station and there's these

1386
00:55:36,829 --> 00:55:34,140
two nicely dressed uh boys they're

1387
00:55:38,210 --> 00:55:36,839
they're early to early 20s

1388
00:55:40,190 --> 00:55:38,220
they're they're dressed real nice

1389
00:55:44,450 --> 00:55:40,200
driving a brand new car

1390
00:55:46,190 --> 00:55:44,460
and my wife says they need help and

1391
00:55:49,010 --> 00:55:46,200
here's the weird thing here's the the

1392
00:55:51,890 --> 00:55:49,020
craziest thing Alex my own intuition

1393
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:51,900
said yes they need help but my ego was

1394
00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:54,720
so strong my ego is seeing that brand

1395
00:55:58,670 --> 00:55:56,880
new car and seeing uh one of them was

1396
00:56:01,970 --> 00:55:58,680
wearing brand new Jordans and I'm like

1397
00:56:03,890 --> 00:56:01,980
that these guys don't need help they

1398
00:56:05,450 --> 00:56:03,900
look financially I'm thinking finances

1399
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:05,460
is the only help that you would need for

1400
00:56:09,049 --> 00:56:07,680
someone at a gas station but yet here

1401
00:56:10,670 --> 00:56:09,059
they were they didn't look like they

1402
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:10,680
needed help

1403
00:56:15,410 --> 00:56:12,960
and my ego is so strong to say nope

1404
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:15,420
they're fine I went in I paid for my gas

1405
00:56:20,809 --> 00:56:18,000
I was leaving the gas station

1406
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:20,819
and my wife says to me don't you dare

1407
00:56:25,990 --> 00:56:23,760
not honor the principles you've been

1408
00:56:28,609 --> 00:56:26,000
teaching me and I'm like

1409
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:28,619
I had to be authentic and I'd say you

1410
00:56:32,450 --> 00:56:30,000
know what you're right I'm I'm not

1411
00:56:34,670 --> 00:56:32,460
honoring that because I do I am feeling

1412
00:56:38,530 --> 00:56:34,680
something there but I'm I'm disregarding

1413
00:56:41,569 --> 00:56:38,540
it so I act I reversed out of the exit

1414
00:56:43,730 --> 00:56:41,579
reversed all the way back to to where

1415
00:56:46,130 --> 00:56:43,740
their car and where they were standing

1416
00:56:47,809 --> 00:56:46,140
and I go this is gonna I roll down the

1417
00:56:50,030 --> 00:56:47,819
window and I go this is gonna sound

1418
00:56:54,109 --> 00:56:50,040
weird guys but my wife thinks you guys

1419
00:56:57,770 --> 00:56:54,119
need help I laid her right under the bus

1420
00:57:00,950 --> 00:56:57,780
and and one of them said oh thank God

1421
00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:00,960
we've been praying for some help

1422
00:57:05,870 --> 00:57:03,359
and what it was is they they had this

1423
00:57:07,609 --> 00:57:05,880
special ATM card that once they went to

1424
00:57:10,130 --> 00:57:07,619
go get groceries they now couldn't use

1425
00:57:12,349 --> 00:57:10,140
it for 24 hours and they had both used

1426
00:57:13,609 --> 00:57:12,359
that their own ATM card now they had no

1427
00:57:16,130 --> 00:57:13,619
cash for gas

1428
00:57:18,770 --> 00:57:16,140
and so they only needed you know 20 30

1429
00:57:20,809 --> 00:57:18,780
bucks worth of gas gas was a lot cheaper

1430
00:57:22,490 --> 00:57:20,819
back then and so we were able to fill

1431
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:22,500
them up for about 30 bucks worth of gas

1432
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:25,200
and and move them on their way but they

1433
00:57:29,450 --> 00:57:27,119
had called somebody this was up in the

1434
00:57:32,450 --> 00:57:29,460
Reno Sparks area they called somebody an

1435
00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:32,460
Elco which is four hours away and

1436
00:57:36,349 --> 00:57:34,319
someone was coming from four hours away

1437
00:57:38,089 --> 00:57:36,359
to help them and they didn't need that

1438
00:57:41,390 --> 00:57:38,099
they had somebody right there that was

1439
00:57:43,609 --> 00:57:41,400
listening to their intuition and so I've

1440
00:57:46,790 --> 00:57:43,619
learned from many many times like this

1441
00:57:48,770 --> 00:57:46,800
that follow that intuition it I'm only

1442
00:57:51,950 --> 00:57:48,780
out of out of pocket 30 bucks to help

1443
00:57:54,890 --> 00:57:51,960
these guys but man I was I Amplified for

1444
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:54,900
days I was just so on on top of life for

1445
00:57:59,089 --> 00:57:56,640
days and I felt like I was honoring my

1446
00:58:02,510 --> 00:57:59,099
wife too because I I did what she asked

1447
00:58:04,130 --> 00:58:02,520
me to do and and I also learned that a

1448
00:58:06,530 --> 00:58:04,140
lot of times when I'm not listening to

1449
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:06,540
my intuition she's going to listen to it

1450
00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:08,880
better and when she's not listening I

1451
00:58:12,829 --> 00:58:11,040
listen to it better and so even as a

1452
00:58:15,290 --> 00:58:12,839
couple we help each other through these

1453
00:58:17,809 --> 00:58:15,300
experiences and we can we can be there

1454
00:58:19,609 --> 00:58:17,819
for people when they need us it's it's a

1455
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:19,619
cool thing I love it I really really

1456
00:58:24,770 --> 00:58:23,040
love it it helps you live at a at a a

1457
00:58:26,450 --> 00:58:24,780
completely different experience than

1458
00:58:28,250 --> 00:58:26,460
most people are experiencing in their

1459
00:58:30,349 --> 00:58:28,260
daily lives in a beautiful way

1460
00:58:33,470 --> 00:58:30,359
and so if we can if we can get that

1461
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:33,480
intuition going and follow it it gets

1462
00:58:37,849 --> 00:58:35,280
stronger and stronger and stronger the

1463
00:58:40,970 --> 00:58:37,859
more we follow it that's awesome

1464
00:58:43,609 --> 00:58:40,980
absolutely awesome and inspiring that's

1465
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:43,619
not me you know I know it's not

1466
00:58:47,510 --> 00:58:46,319
everybody it's not it's not me in the

1467
00:58:51,049 --> 00:58:47,520
sense that and I want to get this out

1468
00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:51,059
there you know because I'm open

1469
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:53,040
you know like one of my spiritual

1470
00:58:58,250 --> 00:58:56,160
practices every day is before I go in

1471
00:59:02,150 --> 00:58:58,260
the the ice path I knock

1472
00:59:04,910 --> 00:59:02,160
let me in let me in you know let me in

1473
00:59:08,289 --> 00:59:04,920
God to what you need to teach me today

1474
00:59:11,750 --> 00:59:08,299
what I need to be aware of today

1475
00:59:16,430 --> 00:59:11,760
but if it doesn't come I'm okay with

1476
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:16,440
that and I understand myself as being

1477
00:59:22,670 --> 00:59:19,200
is spiritually dense not intentionally

1478
00:59:26,089 --> 00:59:22,680
but I don't experience these things the

1479
00:59:29,089 --> 00:59:26,099
way some other people do and I need to

1480
00:59:31,130 --> 00:59:29,099
be okay with that and I think I've run

1481
00:59:33,950 --> 00:59:31,140
across other people you know in doing

1482
00:59:36,170 --> 00:59:33,960
this work who are the same way they're

1483
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:36,180
just like you know and they sometimes

1484
00:59:39,950 --> 00:59:38,160
feel left out of the party you know why

1485
00:59:42,410 --> 00:59:39,960
isn't this happening to me well because

1486
00:59:43,849 --> 00:59:42,420
it's not supposed to happen to you yeah

1487
00:59:46,370 --> 00:59:43,859
what you're supposed to do because

1488
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:46,380
that's what I think is is if I was gonna

1489
00:59:49,930 --> 00:59:48,000
kind of take what you're saying the

1490
00:59:54,109 --> 00:59:49,940
beauty of it is

1491
00:59:57,470 --> 00:59:54,119
these are Vinnie's lessons and they

1492
01:00:00,829 --> 00:59:57,480
chose this life to develop in the along

1493
01:00:04,250 --> 01:00:00,839
his spiritual path Alex chose his life

1494
01:00:06,049 --> 01:00:04,260
to develop along his spiritual path uh

1495
01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:06,059
again back to listen to the inner voice

1496
01:00:10,910 --> 01:00:09,839
says okay I get it I'm on a path I'm on

1497
01:00:13,609 --> 01:00:10,920
a journey

1498
01:00:16,190 --> 01:00:13,619
tell me what's next but if it doesn't

1499
01:00:17,470 --> 01:00:16,200
come through let's pull over at the

1500
01:00:20,510 --> 01:00:17,480
beginning

1501
01:00:23,569 --> 01:00:20,520
exactly I think that for you too a lot

1502
01:00:25,609 --> 01:00:23,579
of your intuition is is getting guests

1503
01:00:28,309 --> 01:00:25,619
how to get them when to get them where

1504
01:00:30,770 --> 01:00:28,319
to get them onto your show and and and

1505
01:00:33,049 --> 01:00:30,780
which ones not to have and that's where

1506
01:00:34,490 --> 01:00:33,059
your intuition is really and yours has

1507
01:00:35,870 --> 01:00:34,500
probably told you like three times why

1508
01:00:38,589 --> 01:00:35,880
the hell did you have this crazy guy

1509
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:38,599
Vinnie on my show now just kidding

1510
01:00:46,430 --> 01:00:43,200
no I mean one I I don't I don't process

1511
01:00:49,730 --> 01:00:46,440
it quite that way but what I do lean

1512
01:00:53,210 --> 01:00:49,740
into more is that I need to do this just

1513
01:00:56,089 --> 01:00:53,220
the way that I did it and I need to at

1514
01:00:58,510 --> 01:00:56,099
the beginning say I don't need to

1515
01:01:02,870 --> 01:00:58,520
believe your story and you need to clear

1516
01:01:05,150 --> 01:01:02,880
that somebody doesn't need to hear this

1517
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:05,160
churchy crap and just kind of roll over

1518
01:01:08,569 --> 01:01:07,440
and do it somebody needs to be able to

1519
01:01:11,030 --> 01:01:08,579
come at it

1520
01:01:12,650 --> 01:01:11,040
in a different perspective and your

1521
01:01:15,410 --> 01:01:12,660
message still needs to be able to

1522
01:01:17,150 --> 01:01:15,420
penetrate that and yes you're saying it

1523
01:01:18,650 --> 01:01:17,160
can and you're saying you're willing to

1524
01:01:20,089 --> 01:01:18,660
do that you're willing to listen to

1525
01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:20,099
somebody who's saying

1526
01:01:26,210 --> 01:01:24,720
I want to I want to uh but come come a

1527
01:01:28,130 --> 01:01:26,220
little bit this way and I think it's

1528
01:01:29,150 --> 01:01:28,140
awesome that at least at this point in

1529
01:01:31,490 --> 01:01:29,160
this interview

1530
01:01:32,690 --> 01:01:31,500
you're authentic you're like oh you want

1531
01:01:34,730 --> 01:01:32,700
me to step a little bit in that

1532
01:01:39,170 --> 01:01:34,740
direction I can do that but let's go on

1533
01:01:41,750 --> 01:01:39,180
to uh the purpose another point from the

1534
01:01:44,990 --> 01:01:41,760
10 lessons from the light after death

1535
01:01:47,930 --> 01:01:45,000
and again folks you get this book you'll

1536
01:01:50,510 --> 01:01:47,940
not be disappointed it's uh it's very

1537
01:01:55,089 --> 01:01:50,520
inspirational the story is like I say

1538
01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:57,309
literally

1539
01:02:03,589 --> 01:02:00,240
I mean the guy dies for an hour you know

1540
01:02:07,069 --> 01:02:03,599
you need to understand this nde and and

1541
01:02:10,670 --> 01:02:07,079
the paramedic is a rookie paramedic that

1542
01:02:13,250 --> 01:02:10,680
goes outside of total protocol and

1543
01:02:15,890 --> 01:02:13,260
literally Cuts him out of the body bag

1544
01:02:18,289 --> 01:02:15,900
to resuscitate him but here's the the

1545
01:02:22,130 --> 01:02:18,299
the last point on your things that I'm

1546
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:22,140
gonna understand the purpose of evil so

1547
01:02:26,809 --> 01:02:24,000
I wrote a book A couple of years ago

1548
01:02:28,970 --> 01:02:26,819
called why evil matters and the premise

1549
01:02:31,690 --> 01:02:28,980
of the book was

1550
01:02:35,030 --> 01:02:31,700
we live in this kind of schizophrenic

1551
01:02:38,270 --> 01:02:35,040
culture in terms of dealing with evil

1552
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:38,280
and we watched the Super Bowl halftime

1553
01:02:44,690 --> 01:02:41,280
show and you do it with a group of

1554
01:02:46,130 --> 01:02:44,700
people and you're like everyone's Jaws

1555
01:02:48,049 --> 01:02:46,140
dropping and they don't know how to say

1556
01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:48,059
it and go you're seeing what I'm it's

1557
01:02:53,270 --> 01:02:51,359
satanic it's completely satanic which we

1558
01:02:55,250 --> 01:02:53,280
got to be careful that's a very bibiley

1559
01:02:57,049 --> 01:02:55,260
kind of thing that doesn't translate

1560
01:02:58,910 --> 01:02:57,059
well when you really look at the history

1561
01:03:00,829 --> 01:02:58,920
of the Bible but we get the Darkness

1562
01:03:03,650 --> 01:03:00,839
thing right yeah there's Darkness there

1563
01:03:04,510 --> 01:03:03,660
yeah the Grammy's the same absolutely oh

1564
01:03:07,549 --> 01:03:04,520
yeah

1565
01:03:09,770 --> 01:03:07,559
so the schizophrenia is on one hand

1566
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:09,780
they're so pulling it in One Direction

1567
01:03:15,530 --> 01:03:13,440
that it's just drop jaw obvious and at

1568
01:03:17,630 --> 01:03:15,540
the same time the whole underpinning of

1569
01:03:19,849 --> 01:03:17,640
our culture is we're atheistic we're

1570
01:03:22,730 --> 01:03:19,859
secular we're like there's no such thing

1571
01:03:24,890 --> 01:03:22,740
as evil evil is a social construct you

1572
01:03:27,589 --> 01:03:24,900
know it's not really we can't Point

1573
01:03:29,329 --> 01:03:27,599
anyone and say that's evil so we have

1574
01:03:32,030 --> 01:03:29,339
that on one hand and then on the other

1575
01:03:35,569 --> 01:03:32,040
hand we have people who are religious

1576
01:03:37,370 --> 01:03:35,579
and say oh evil I got that I'll tell you

1577
01:03:39,710 --> 01:03:37,380
right here let me pull out my book and

1578
01:03:42,890 --> 01:03:39,720
I'll tell you chapter and verse what

1579
01:03:45,950 --> 01:03:42,900
evil is I I think for most thinking

1580
01:03:48,170 --> 01:03:45,960
people and I think my interpretation of

1581
01:03:49,970 --> 01:03:48,180
your book would fall in this category of

1582
01:03:52,730 --> 01:03:49,980
with hero I think you'd be aligned with

1583
01:03:55,549 --> 01:03:52,740
me is that's an inadequate starting

1584
01:03:57,530 --> 01:03:55,559
point you know is to say there's no such

1585
01:04:00,170 --> 01:03:57,540
thing as evil it's just a social

1586
01:04:02,569 --> 01:04:00,180
construct there's nothing real to it and

1587
01:04:05,510 --> 01:04:02,579
saying it can all it can be nailed down

1588
01:04:08,870 --> 01:04:05,520
in this very specific way and I agree

1589
01:04:11,750 --> 01:04:08,880
that the evil Israel that for us to say

1590
01:04:15,109 --> 01:04:11,760
that there is no evil then we're on

1591
01:04:16,849 --> 01:04:15,119
Evil's side I I really believe that it's

1592
01:04:18,530 --> 01:04:16,859
almost like I'm on the side of the

1593
01:04:20,930 --> 01:04:18,540
threat I don't want you to think that

1594
01:04:22,849 --> 01:04:20,940
this threat exists that that to me is

1595
01:04:26,390 --> 01:04:22,859
what evil wants evil wants us to believe

1596
01:04:29,390 --> 01:04:26,400
it doesn't exist but I also want to you

1597
01:04:31,549 --> 01:04:29,400
know I used to study about World War II

1598
01:04:34,030 --> 01:04:31,559
and Germany and the Weimar Republic and

1599
01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:34,040
what what happened to Germany to put

1600
01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:38,160
Hitler and to put the Nazis in power and

1601
01:04:43,510 --> 01:04:40,559
I thought never in my life will I ever

1602
01:04:47,569 --> 01:04:43,520
see that much

1603
01:04:48,950 --> 01:04:47,579
Freedom being given away to one fascist

1604
01:04:52,670 --> 01:04:48,960
leader

1605
01:04:55,130 --> 01:04:52,680
and and yet I watched so many freedoms

1606
01:04:58,309 --> 01:04:55,140
disappear undercovered under the guise

1607
01:04:59,930 --> 01:04:58,319
of fear I watched everybody lining up to

1608
01:05:03,109 --> 01:04:59,940
give away their freedoms because they

1609
01:05:05,030 --> 01:05:03,119
they were so afraid of the outcome

1610
01:05:06,230 --> 01:05:05,040
and it was almost like the boogeyman

1611
01:05:08,210 --> 01:05:06,240
syndrome

1612
01:05:10,730 --> 01:05:08,220
where as long as you could keep in

1613
01:05:13,130 --> 01:05:10,740
control of the new Boogeyman you were in

1614
01:05:17,150 --> 01:05:13,140
control of the people and and that's

1615
01:05:20,270 --> 01:05:17,160
what I I saw in in that cycle repeating

1616
01:05:21,530 --> 01:05:20,280
of what I saw happen in in studying what

1617
01:05:23,150 --> 01:05:21,540
happened in Germany because that's

1618
01:05:25,549 --> 01:05:23,160
exactly what happened on Germany that

1619
01:05:28,430 --> 01:05:25,559
that once they decided the boogeyman was

1620
01:05:31,250 --> 01:05:28,440
this they could go and start taking that

1621
01:05:34,190 --> 01:05:31,260
out and and that happened to be a whole

1622
01:05:36,589 --> 01:05:34,200
class and culture and religion of people

1623
01:05:39,770 --> 01:05:36,599
and and that's not the reality that's

1624
01:05:41,569 --> 01:05:39,780
not any type of reality but but where EV

1625
01:05:44,030 --> 01:05:41,579
evil is real is

1626
01:05:46,430 --> 01:05:44,040
to have life and not have evil would be

1627
01:05:48,170 --> 01:05:46,440
like having a gym with no equipment

1628
01:05:50,510 --> 01:05:48,180
see that slightly differently and let me

1629
01:05:52,970 --> 01:05:50,520
tie it back to the point we just talked

1630
01:05:53,870 --> 01:05:52,980
about and that is listen to your inner

1631
01:05:55,910 --> 01:05:53,880
voice

1632
01:05:58,010 --> 01:05:55,920
what I think

1633
01:05:59,329 --> 01:05:58,020
is my experience and so many people I've

1634
01:06:02,510 --> 01:05:59,339
talked to is

1635
01:06:05,930 --> 01:06:02,520
you think I don't know evil I know evil

1636
01:06:08,210 --> 01:06:05,940
every day multiple times a day when that

1637
01:06:11,990 --> 01:06:08,220
thought comes in my head to be to be

1638
01:06:14,750 --> 01:06:12,000
angry to be vengeful to me it it's there

1639
01:06:16,549 --> 01:06:14,760
every day alls I have to do is scratch

1640
01:06:18,770 --> 01:06:16,559
that itch you know you go listen to

1641
01:06:21,349 --> 01:06:18,780
serial killers and their True

1642
01:06:23,150 --> 01:06:21,359
Confessions a lot of them will say hey

1643
01:06:25,609 --> 01:06:23,160
it started out when I was a little kid

1644
01:06:27,829 --> 01:06:25,619
and I you know went down this path if I

1645
01:06:29,809 --> 01:06:27,839
had this kind of sexual thing that I

1646
01:06:31,789 --> 01:06:29,819
wasn't and I did it and then I did this

1647
01:06:33,890 --> 01:06:31,799
and then the next thing I did this and

1648
01:06:35,750 --> 01:06:33,900
then it becomes an obsession which we

1649
01:06:38,270 --> 01:06:35,760
all can relate to go look at you know

1650
01:06:41,930 --> 01:06:38,280
people who are obsessed with eating or

1651
01:06:43,970 --> 01:06:41,940
porn or all it's drugs you know I get it

1652
01:06:45,289 --> 01:06:43,980
you don't think we get it we all get it

1653
01:06:46,730 --> 01:06:45,299
that's why we're that's why you're

1654
01:06:49,670 --> 01:06:46,740
meditating that's why you're doing all

1655
01:06:52,490 --> 01:06:49,680
this other stuff I think it's so common

1656
01:06:55,069 --> 01:06:52,500
that we we lose sight of it and that

1657
01:06:56,990 --> 01:06:55,079
feeling of needing control why like

1658
01:07:01,069 --> 01:06:57,000
you're just saying wanting control from

1659
01:07:02,450 --> 01:07:01,079
that crazy voice I I totally think that

1660
01:07:05,029 --> 01:07:02,460
that is

1661
01:07:06,529 --> 01:07:05,039
the road to the to the whole thing well

1662
01:07:09,349 --> 01:07:06,539
what do you think about that

1663
01:07:11,630 --> 01:07:09,359
I think that definitely that where all

1664
01:07:14,210 --> 01:07:11,640
of us all every single one of us are are

1665
01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:14,220
a yin and yang in ourselves that we we

1666
01:07:18,589 --> 01:07:16,079
have the propensity for good and bad

1667
01:07:20,210 --> 01:07:18,599
every single one of us do for evil and

1668
01:07:22,130 --> 01:07:20,220
for good you know I'm gonna call evil

1669
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:22,140
and love for me those are the two

1670
01:07:27,470 --> 01:07:24,480
opposite forces love force and evil or

1671
01:07:30,589 --> 01:07:27,480
fear voice fear of force the that's what

1672
01:07:33,049 --> 01:07:30,599
causes us typically to to lash out and

1673
01:07:35,270 --> 01:07:33,059
do evil things is it some type of fear

1674
01:07:37,670 --> 01:07:35,280
some type of reaction it's definitely

1675
01:07:39,650 --> 01:07:37,680
not a love thing but sometimes what will

1676
01:07:42,049 --> 01:07:39,660
happen is people will get addicted to

1677
01:07:43,970 --> 01:07:42,059
the adrenaline they feel when they're in

1678
01:07:46,190 --> 01:07:43,980
that fearful State and that's what

1679
01:07:49,250 --> 01:07:46,200
causes them to take these crazy steps of

1680
01:07:51,770 --> 01:07:49,260
becoming serial killers but you know the

1681
01:07:54,289 --> 01:07:51,780
the hard part for us to understand is we

1682
01:07:56,450 --> 01:07:54,299
are living in a microcosm of of

1683
01:07:59,809 --> 01:07:56,460
existence in our world

1684
01:08:02,210 --> 01:07:59,819
and in the macrocosm of Life stepping

1685
01:08:04,609 --> 01:08:02,220
aback and realizing that our entire

1686
01:08:06,950 --> 01:08:04,619
existence here is very finite and very

1687
01:08:08,990 --> 01:08:06,960
very minuscule compared to our real

1688
01:08:11,930 --> 01:08:09,000
existence of Eternity

1689
01:08:15,170 --> 01:08:11,940
and you know understanding that and

1690
01:08:17,930 --> 01:08:15,180
understanding we can put a theme on what

1691
01:08:21,349 --> 01:08:17,940
we spend our time with here we can

1692
01:08:23,269 --> 01:08:21,359
choose that theme of Love or fear it's

1693
01:08:25,610 --> 01:08:23,279
totally up to us

1694
01:08:28,669 --> 01:08:25,620
and we can do good and bad out of both

1695
01:08:30,950 --> 01:08:28,679
energies uh but but you can only get so

1696
01:08:33,890 --> 01:08:30,960
much good out of the fear energy then it

1697
01:08:37,189 --> 01:08:33,900
ends up lapsing into a very bad dark

1698
01:08:39,829 --> 01:08:37,199
energy and and the love energy you can

1699
01:08:41,930 --> 01:08:39,839
do a lot of good and as long as you stay

1700
01:08:44,630 --> 01:08:41,940
love centered you can continue to do a

1701
01:08:47,930 --> 01:08:44,640
lot of good and and bring forth a lot of

1702
01:08:50,329 --> 01:08:47,940
energy in a good way now the whole thing

1703
01:08:51,829 --> 01:08:50,339
is why are we here is we're here so that

1704
01:08:54,769 --> 01:08:51,839
we can learn how to choose between the

1705
01:08:57,349 --> 01:08:54,779
two but to to have the two choices you

1706
01:08:59,390 --> 01:08:57,359
have to have the evil you have to it has

1707
01:09:03,229 --> 01:08:59,400
to be the other the option

1708
01:09:05,930 --> 01:09:03,239
but to to take evil off the table and to

1709
01:09:07,849 --> 01:09:05,940
only have good options is again like

1710
01:09:10,189 --> 01:09:07,859
walking into a gym where there's no

1711
01:09:12,650 --> 01:09:10,199
equipment there's no resistance there's

1712
01:09:15,530 --> 01:09:12,660
nothing exercising that agency muscle

1713
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:15,540
that ability to make the choice

1714
01:09:19,550 --> 01:09:17,759
and that's what this is we're here at

1715
01:09:22,010 --> 01:09:19,560
Earth School I call it Earth School

1716
01:09:23,990 --> 01:09:22,020
we're here at Earth school so we can

1717
01:09:27,410 --> 01:09:24,000
learn how to to make choices make

1718
01:09:29,090 --> 01:09:27,420
decisions and and choose between the the

1719
01:09:31,490 --> 01:09:29,100
love and the fear

1720
01:09:33,410 --> 01:09:31,500
and the more we choose the love it the

1721
01:09:35,510 --> 01:09:33,420
easier it is to love the more we choose

1722
01:09:38,870 --> 01:09:35,520
the fear the easier it is for easier it

1723
01:09:41,689 --> 01:09:38,880
is for us to hate to ostracize push away

1724
01:09:44,209 --> 01:09:41,699
and damage others so it's it's important

1725
01:09:47,510 --> 01:09:44,219
for us it's important for us to choose

1726
01:09:49,729 --> 01:09:47,520
choose what we feel is is our best path

1727
01:09:51,650 --> 01:09:49,739
and that's what we're here to do it's

1728
01:09:53,390 --> 01:09:51,660
just it is sad when some people and this

1729
01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:53,400
is no judgment but some people they will

1730
01:09:57,830 --> 01:09:55,440
they will continue down that fear path

1731
01:10:00,830 --> 01:09:57,840
and never leave they love the power of

1732
01:10:02,570 --> 01:10:00,840
fear they really do and whether it's an

1733
01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:02,580
outward power or inward power doesn't

1734
01:10:07,010 --> 01:10:05,280
matter they really love that power and

1735
01:10:09,050 --> 01:10:07,020
and I think those are the real evil

1736
01:10:13,270 --> 01:10:09,060
people because on you know they go out

1737
01:10:18,110 --> 01:10:13,280
in public and they live this you know

1738
01:10:20,870 --> 01:10:18,120
normal looking life but yet behind drawn

1739
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:20,880
curtains and behind closed doors they're

1740
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:23,520
a very different person but I think in

1741
01:10:28,550 --> 01:10:26,400
the authentic moment of today we're

1742
01:10:31,370 --> 01:10:28,560
starting to see these dark people come

1743
01:10:33,530 --> 01:10:31,380
out from their closets come out from

1744
01:10:36,050 --> 01:10:33,540
their dark rooms come out from their

1745
01:10:37,669 --> 01:10:36,060
their drawn curtains and be their evil

1746
01:10:40,610 --> 01:10:37,679
selves in front of everyone

1747
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:40,620
and we're in in a more authentic nature

1748
01:10:45,709 --> 01:10:42,960
now maybe it might be an artistic nature

1749
01:10:48,110 --> 01:10:45,719
it's still authentic it is

1750
01:10:49,790 --> 01:10:48,120
for them to show that

1751
01:10:52,430 --> 01:10:49,800
I'm with you to a certain extent one of

1752
01:10:55,570 --> 01:10:52,440
the things I like to kind of hope people

1753
01:10:57,890 --> 01:10:55,580
with is slavery in the United States

1754
01:11:00,410 --> 01:10:57,900
Frederick Douglass tells a story about

1755
01:11:02,450 --> 01:11:00,420
being in slavery and all those good

1756
01:11:04,850 --> 01:11:02,460
church people coming back on Sunday and

1757
01:11:07,250 --> 01:11:04,860
sitting down why the slaves come in

1758
01:11:09,290 --> 01:11:07,260
serve them and you know then taking that

1759
01:11:12,110 --> 01:11:09,300
woman out the back and doing what they

1760
01:11:13,610 --> 01:11:12,120
do all that stuff and it's like that's

1761
01:11:16,790 --> 01:11:13,620
not satanic

1762
01:11:19,510 --> 01:11:16,800
slavery for hundreds of years or on our

1763
01:11:22,189 --> 01:11:19,520
recent Abu gray are those images

1764
01:11:27,890 --> 01:11:22,199
chiseled in your brain how many babies

1765
01:11:30,229 --> 01:11:27,900
did we kill in Iraq in Afghanistan

1766
01:11:34,669 --> 01:11:30,239
really this is what we're going to focus

1767
01:11:36,709 --> 01:11:34,679
on is our little gripe with Hollywood or

1768
01:11:38,810 --> 01:11:36,719
whatever no no that's a little gripe I

1769
01:11:40,669 --> 01:11:38,820
just think it it's at a different it's

1770
01:11:42,830 --> 01:11:40,679
at a whole different level than when we

1771
01:11:44,990 --> 01:11:42,840
kind of want to chunk it down and say

1772
01:11:45,890 --> 01:11:45,000
this is it or this is happening now it's

1773
01:11:48,169 --> 01:11:45,900
like

1774
01:11:50,149 --> 01:11:48,179
I think as our as our culture the

1775
01:11:52,970 --> 01:11:50,159
specifically the American West culture

1776
01:11:55,130 --> 01:11:52,980
itself the westernized culture on on the

1777
01:11:57,830 --> 01:11:55,140
surface we've been doing quote unquote

1778
01:11:59,870 --> 01:11:57,840
good things but we've also been getting

1779
01:12:01,729 --> 01:11:59,880
in good Wars there's no such thing

1780
01:12:03,890 --> 01:12:01,739
there's no such thing as a good War

1781
01:12:06,530 --> 01:12:03,900
that's a that's a dark check that's an

1782
01:12:09,770 --> 01:12:06,540
evil check being cast out the front door

1783
01:12:11,570 --> 01:12:09,780
to to go to war over over objects over

1784
01:12:13,310 --> 01:12:11,580
oil over whatever

1785
01:12:14,990 --> 01:12:13,320
and and we're going to call it Freedom

1786
01:12:16,370 --> 01:12:15,000
defending Freedom somehow and saying no

1787
01:12:17,870 --> 01:12:16,380
that's not the case yeah but you know

1788
01:12:19,970 --> 01:12:17,880
what those commies I mean that's why I

1789
01:12:21,290 --> 01:12:19,980
use the matsutung example because a lot

1790
01:12:23,390 --> 01:12:21,300
of leftist people they want to forget

1791
01:12:26,630 --> 01:12:23,400
about that that kind of the atheist

1792
01:12:28,550 --> 01:12:26,640
stuff that does not work on so many No

1793
01:12:31,729 --> 01:12:28,560
in fact you have fascism you have

1794
01:12:34,610 --> 01:12:31,739
socialism both to me either one is evil

1795
01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:34,620
because you've got mankind choosing who

1796
01:12:39,950 --> 01:12:36,480
eats and who survives

1797
01:12:43,490 --> 01:12:39,960
and and that's where you have problems

1798
01:12:46,250 --> 01:12:43,500
because we're we're suscept to fear all

1799
01:12:48,290 --> 01:12:46,260
of us are all of us are if you study you

1800
01:12:50,330 --> 01:12:48,300
know Stalin what he did he he

1801
01:12:52,729 --> 01:12:50,340
essentially didn't like uh an entire

1802
01:12:54,290 --> 01:12:52,739
part of his own country and decided I'm

1803
01:12:56,750 --> 01:12:54,300
gonna not even allow these potato

1804
01:12:59,149 --> 01:12:56,760
Farmers to eat their own potatoes they

1805
01:13:01,189 --> 01:12:59,159
starved with with bags of potatoes in

1806
01:13:03,649 --> 01:13:01,199
their own possession but it was illegal

1807
01:13:05,390 --> 01:13:03,659
for them to eat one and they knew that

1808
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:05,400
not only would they would be killed but

1809
01:13:09,830 --> 01:13:07,440
their entire family would be killed if

1810
01:13:13,550 --> 01:13:09,840
they were caught eating one potato

1811
01:13:16,130 --> 01:13:13,560
so whole entire segment of the Russian

1812
01:13:18,649 --> 01:13:16,140
population died

1813
01:13:20,810 --> 01:13:18,659
while holding food but was not allowed

1814
01:13:23,030 --> 01:13:20,820
to cook it or eat it is it okay to do

1815
01:13:25,250 --> 01:13:23,040
whatever we have to to stop that

1816
01:13:28,610 --> 01:13:25,260
It's Tricky is it okay to do a project

1817
01:13:31,070 --> 01:13:28,620
paper clip really so it's okay Werner

1818
01:13:33,470 --> 01:13:31,080
Von Braun over here you know to the

1819
01:13:36,649 --> 01:13:33,480
United States Verner Von Braun who you

1820
01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:36,659
know by the way hung the Jewish workers

1821
01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:39,120
who didn't work fast enough in front of

1822
01:13:43,970 --> 01:13:42,000
the factory he was a Nazis Nazi friend

1823
01:13:46,610 --> 01:13:43,980
with Hitler you know early on in the

1824
01:13:49,189 --> 01:13:46,620
game so it's okay you know hey we have

1825
01:13:52,430 --> 01:13:49,199
to fight tonight guys you know I I don't

1826
01:13:55,189 --> 01:13:52,440
see how we how we sort that out on any

1827
01:13:57,110 --> 01:13:55,199
kind of logical level those are God

1828
01:13:59,689 --> 01:13:57,120
problems that's why I say you know the

1829
01:14:02,510 --> 01:13:59,699
yeah I'm always leery of that God is on

1830
01:14:04,669 --> 01:14:02,520
our side God wants us you know to fight

1831
01:14:06,590 --> 01:14:04,679
just this one time you know God needs

1832
01:14:09,890 --> 01:14:06,600
our help just this month you know just

1833
01:14:11,810 --> 01:14:09,900
needs a little push yeah and you look

1834
01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:11,820
even back to the holy Inquisition when

1835
01:14:17,570 --> 01:14:14,159
when supposedly that was God's Army

1836
01:14:19,810 --> 01:14:17,580
taking out all the all the Heretics and

1837
01:14:22,189 --> 01:14:19,820
the witches and and all sorts of

1838
01:14:26,090 --> 01:14:22,199
non-believers because they were saying

1839
01:14:28,729 --> 01:14:26,100
the Earth was round oh heaven forbid

1840
01:14:31,390 --> 01:14:28,739
you know so uh there there is there's a

1841
01:14:33,550 --> 01:14:31,400
lot of time where people are

1842
01:14:36,169 --> 01:14:33,560
misinterpreting God really

1843
01:14:37,610 --> 01:14:36,179
misinterpreting God because I I fully

1844
01:14:39,709 --> 01:14:37,620
don't believe that God would be out

1845
01:14:41,450 --> 01:14:39,719
there wanting us the in worst the the

1846
01:14:43,669 --> 01:14:41,460
God that I experienced

1847
01:14:45,229 --> 01:14:43,679
that I experienced on the other side is

1848
01:14:48,350 --> 01:14:45,239
not a God of War

1849
01:14:49,250 --> 01:14:48,360
it's not the only God of War is fear 100

1850
01:14:51,110 --> 01:14:49,260
percent

1851
01:14:53,570 --> 01:14:51,120
and if we keep ourself in a state of

1852
01:14:55,370 --> 01:14:53,580
fear we'll always be at War

1853
01:14:58,610 --> 01:14:55,380
we'll always be at War

1854
01:15:00,350 --> 01:14:58,620
I don't know I I do believe I do believe

1855
01:15:01,970 --> 01:15:00,360
that we have to we have to stop

1856
01:15:04,130 --> 01:15:01,980
wrongdoing when we know what's going on

1857
01:15:06,830 --> 01:15:04,140
absolutely we have to do our best but

1858
01:15:09,229 --> 01:15:06,840
but to me there's also stuff that is is

1859
01:15:11,090 --> 01:15:09,239
handled Beyond this life a lot of things

1860
01:15:13,550 --> 01:15:11,100
that are handled Beyond this life and

1861
01:15:14,990 --> 01:15:13,560
that's where the Justice comes in with

1862
01:15:17,209 --> 01:15:15,000
God

1863
01:15:20,209 --> 01:15:17,219
um because to to start creating Justice

1864
01:15:22,310 --> 01:15:20,219
here you're removing people's agency and

1865
01:15:24,649 --> 01:15:22,320
that's the whole reason we're here we're

1866
01:15:26,630 --> 01:15:24,659
here to have the agencies to grow to

1867
01:15:29,330 --> 01:15:26,640
learn how to use it because when we're

1868
01:15:31,189 --> 01:15:29,340
near God when we're near God we are in

1869
01:15:33,709 --> 01:15:31,199
such synchronicity with each other as

1870
01:15:36,470 --> 01:15:33,719
far as anything God wants we want

1871
01:15:38,750 --> 01:15:36,480
because that's so much that love that is

1872
01:15:40,970 --> 01:15:38,760
there between us that anything God wants

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we want we love God so much

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and we even to come here we have to

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forget that love because it's so strong

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that if we could remember how much we

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love each other

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we would start doing everything we would

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we're supposed to do without any agency

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would just do it because we love God so

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much we love our creator so much

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so that's the whole reason we're here

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Earth School is is to forget how much we

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love our father love our our creator

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come here make decisions learn how to

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make decisions and go back at least

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that's one man's perspective my

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perspective

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I got you

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this stuff has been hashed around for

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hundreds of years oh yeah thousands of

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years yeah so so Vinnie if people visit

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the light

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afterdeath.com or living

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godslight.com what are they going to

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find and what should they do over there

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so if they go to the lightafterdeath.com

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they'll see the book they can actually

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purchase it there they can also purchase

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an Amazon audible but the light the

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light after death is just the book A

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movement that I've started with my

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author buddy who we've written this

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together is we've started a non-profit

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called living God's light and what it is

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it's an organization to help people of

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all faiths it is mostly Christian but

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but it is all Faith to help them better

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embody the 10 principles that I learned

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and help them start building that their

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own inner intuition and get it to be

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stronger if they want it stronger

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and how to get it stronger so that they

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can build a stronger relationship with

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their creator no matter what name

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they're giving that creator

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well it's been absolutely terrific

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having you on the show and really

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appreciate it you you're bringing the

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light man we can feel it feel it all the

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way over here in California

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I appreciate it that you can feel it

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through the People's Republic over there

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just of California right on

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I love all my California family I love

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my my United States family and thanks

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for having me on Alex I really

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appreciate you man and and and thanks

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for coming and and being open to just

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chat you know a lot of people some

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people are open but some people aren't I

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I love that we got to have this chat

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today is cool

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cool next time we'll talk about E.T

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okay that would be fun

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see you man all right thanks Alex bye

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thanks again to Vincent Tolman for

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joining me today on skeptico I'd like to

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tee up this question and I'd like to ask

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you to come and talk to me about it come

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over to the skeptical Forum write me an

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email connect I don't know what poor

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people don't do that I would love that

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opportunity to connect with all the

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people I listen to when I listen to

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podcasts but

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I don't know whatever there's a barrier

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there that a lot of people don't want to

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step past so that's fine too but the

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question is

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how do we figure out whether those

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lessons those rules we're getting are

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meant for us or they're meant for us and

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everybody else too

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I think we're all tempted to interpret

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them both ways and I know I do a lot of

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times so how do you do it let me know